[access-uk] Re: I'm outraged!
- From: william lomas <lomaswilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 13:30:15 +0100
damon can we get lost with a.d. on the dvd's?
What amazes me is, it costs the bbc surely, and other providers a lot more to
air it on tv, yet to put it on the dvd the a.d. that is for lost etc. as an
extra track in y view would cost less.
I never got in to lost and other series on tv as a.d. was only on a scattering
of episodes
On May 25, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Damon Rose wrote:
> I'd email you direct and fill you in on the geek stuff if I could work out
> how to harvest your email address from this list. Drop me a mail
> damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx and I'll answer these questions for you. We can also
> have a chat about what you think of the ending. I'll be fasscinated. I won't
> say another thing.
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> I remember Therese Birch when she was on LBC before she got into this audio
> description malarky.
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> Is there a good audio description recommendation list or forum anywhere,
> anyone? There ya go, I'm bringing the discussion back on message again - hope
> you appreciate that Barry and all ;)
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> I saw a film on Sky Movies last night which sounded like a schoolgirl was
> doing it. I was quite shocked. It was a bit like getting a talking book disk
> through the mail and finding out it was read by a new zealand volunteer so
> you just put it back in the post.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Vanja Sudar
> Sent: 25 May 2010 12:12
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged!
>
> Ah, so it was definitely live from ABC. Interesting! I'm curious what
> happened during the commercials, IE. often when other sort of live simulcasts
> from the US happen on UK TV or radio it ends up that US commercials are
> longer or there are more breaks than here, so they have to fill in with other
> content, so I wonder what happened during lost, or did sky somehow just
> managed to get proper timing and correct number of commercials. OK, I'm being
> geeky here...lol, but back to the subject, you're right Damon, I was very
> disappointed. It's one of most unusual shows in TV history and if you've
> watched it from the beginning it pretty much becomes part of your life. Yes,
> some might call it sad, but I don't care. I just wish I was thinking like you
> and assumed that it wouldn't be audio described during the first showing.
> Glad you finally saw it, just please don't tell me how it ends *smiles* as
> I'll try to watch it and hope that tonight's repeat will be audio described!
> Vanja
> http://www.sudar.co.uk
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:02 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged!
>
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>> I do feel for poor old Vanja.
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>> Just to reiterate, it was the very last episode of a long-running cult
>> series which has broken the rules of TV and also become a web phenomenon.
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>> There are literally millions of pages on the web theorising as to how
>> the show is going to end.
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>> We're on episode 122 now, the finale, and poor old Vanja got up at 5am
>> to watch it being simulcast on UK and US television. Another very
>> unusual 'must see' event they created early this morning.
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>> I would've been terribly disappointed had I got up at 5am. I did
>> consider it but had already guessed that the first showing wouldn't be
>> audio described. My girlfriend and I were watching it earlier,
>> incidentally, and it says "live from the US" on screen every 5 minutes
>> or so. So it was a live feed coming from ABC in the states; hardly
>> surprising Sky had no opportunity to get it described.
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>> Good debate though and I believe we should be expecting a high service.
>> I'm hoping that more than 6% of tv shows are to be described when
>> Ofcom goes through its data. Unless I've already missed the outcome.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf Of Scott C
>> Sent: 24 May 2010 22:59
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged!
>>
>> But your missing the point Sack.
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>> It wasn't just one show.
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>> It was the show.
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>> It was the mane show the big one so to speak.
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>> Ta Scott.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Saqib - Email Address: saqib@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent On: 24/05/2010
>> 06:54 Sent To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address:
>> access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged!
>>
>> Hi Mike. It wasn't the actual message that got my goat this morning.
>> It was the tone of it. Of course we should be on a level playing field
>> as our sighted counter parts on numerous levels and that includes
>> transport and general technology. What I was trying to get across was
>> that it's not a huge catastrophy if something wasn't recorded in AD
>> for one episode. There have been plenty of ocations where Corrie
>> hasn't been recorded with AD and yes it's a nucense on a entertainment
>> level but hay as I said we can't always have it our way. I'm not
>> saying that people should put up with this if such errors are made on
>> a regular basis but if its the odd program once in a while then I don't
>> think it's a huge deal for me personally.
>> Original message:
>>> I have to say first that I can sympathise with Saqib, that a sense of
>>> proportion is always useful. Perhaps keep 'outrage' for the
>>> genuinely outrageous, like the arrest, detention, torture and
>>> generalised persecution of blind political activists in China or the
>>> necessity for Blind and other Disabled People to beg in order to
>>> survive in many majority world countries!
>>> Nonetheless, I too can see Scott's point. TV is a comparatively
>>> recent invention. AD is there to remove the barriers that we as
>>> Blind Disabled People experience when accessing it. It is perfectly
>>> acceptable to expect it to be there . It is not something in the
>>> 21st century for which we should feel grateful or thankful, any more
>>> than we should for the removal of any other barrier which, if left in
>>> place, Leeds to our segregation or exclusion.
>>
>>> Saqib I agree that 'outraged' is perhaps a tad O.T.T, but then I have
>>> no idea what 'Lost' is and therefore don't feel that strongly about
>>> it on a personal level. If I did and was trying to follow it, I
>>> might feel more angry that the AD which aught to have been part of
>>> the broadcast was omitted.
>>
>>> Our expectations of equal treatment as Blind People, including the
>>> provision of AD, should not be tempered by gratitude or any sense of
>>> diffidence. We strive to be equal citizens with the right to be
>>> included and treated equally, in the society in which we live. Where
>>> it is typical for people to be able to access such facilities as
>>> colour TV, why should Blind People have to tolerate any less than
>>> equivalent reliable treatment than those with sight.
>>> Best wishes,
>>
>>> Mike Higgins,
>>> Email: m.j.higgins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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