William I hope you've emailed the broadcaster who shows Spartacus. If you don't. they won't know. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: 25 May 2010 13:18 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged! well they never describe anything good i mean look at the new spartacus drama, why is that not described? A hit apparently in the US yet we get nothing. The old stuff like casualty which is to old in the tooth now and quite frankly rubbish lol always get described yet never anything worth watching like spartacus starting tonight on bravo, lost, etc On May 25, 2010, at 12:56 PM, Vanja Sudar wrote: > Right, one episode, and if it was episode half way throught the series, although it would be annoying and inconvenient, it wouldn't bother me as much, but this is the last episode. This is the end. This was the moment when the world finds out how the story ends, after 6 years of watching it. So it's not just a random episode and a random TV show. > Vanja > http://www.sudar.co.uk > http://twitter.com/internetking > MSN/windows live messenger: sudar23@xxxxxxxxxxx > AIM: vanja121 > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Saqib" <saqib@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 2:54 PM > Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged! > > >> Hi Mike. It wasn't the actual message that got my goat this morning. It was the tone of it. Of course we should be on a level playing field as our sighted counter parts on numerous levels and that includes transport and general technology. What I was trying to get across was that it's not a huge catastrophy if something wasn't recorded in AD for one episode. There have been plenty of ocations where Corrie hasn't been recorded with AD and yes it's a nucense on a entertainment level but hay as I said we can't always have it our way. I'm not saying that people should put up with this if such errors are made on a regular basis but if its the odd program once in a while then I don't think it's a huge deal for me personally. >> Original message: >>> I have to say first that I can sympathise with Saqib, that a sense >>> of proportion is always useful. Perhaps keep 'outrage' for the >>> genuinely outrageous, like the arrest, detention, torture and >>> generalised persecution of blind political activists in China or the >>> necessity for Blind and other Disabled People to beg in order to survive in many majority world countries! >>> Nonetheless, I too can see Scott's point. TV is a comparatively >>> recent invention. AD is there to remove the barriers that we as >>> Blind Disabled People experience when accessing it. It is perfectly >>> acceptable to expect it to be there . It is not something in the >>> 21st century for which we should feel grateful or thankful, any more >>> than we should for the removal of any other barrier which, if left >>> in place, Leeds to our segregation or exclusion. >> >>> Saqib I agree that 'outraged' is perhaps a tad O.T.T, but then I >>> have no idea what 'Lost' is and therefore don't feel that strongly >>> about it on a personal level. If I did and was trying to follow it, >>> I might feel more angry that the AD which aught to have been part >>> of the broadcast was omitted. >> >>> Our expectations of equal treatment as Blind People, including the >>> provision of AD, should not be tempered by gratitude or any sense of >>> diffidence. We strive to be equal citizens with the right to be >>> included and treated equally, in the society in which we live. >>> Where it is typical for people to be able to access such facilities >>> as colour TV, why should Blind People have to tolerate any less than >>> equivalent reliable treatment than those with sight. >> >> >>> Best wishes, >> >>> Mike Higgins, >>> Email: m.j.higgins@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >> >>> ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] >>> ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> ** and in the Subject line type >>> ** unsubscribe >>> ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the >>> ** immediately-following link:- >>> ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] >>> ** or send a message, to >>> ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. 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