I'm not Damon, but I just felt a need to correct you. Although there are a lot of shows that are not audio described and should be, lost was one that always was. The only time it wasn't described was for the short time of season two when channel 4 decided not to audio describe it any more, but after many complaints they repeated all the episodes that were not audio described with audio description and from then it was described all the time both on channel 4 and later on on sky when sky took over.
Vanja http://www.sudar.co.uk http://twitter.com/internetking MSN/windows live messenger: sudar23@xxxxxxxxxxx AIM: vanja121----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" <lomaswilliam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged! damon can we get lost with a.d. on the dvd's?What amazes me is, it costs the bbc surely, and other providers a lot more to air it on tv, yet to put it on the dvd the a.d. that is for lost etc. as an extra track in y view would cost less. I never got in to lost and other series on tv as a.d. was only on a scattering of episodes
On May 25, 2010, at 1:23 PM, Damon Rose wrote:
I'd email you direct and fill you in on the geek stuff if I could work out how to harvest your email address from this list. Drop me a mail damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx and I'll answer these questions for you. We can also have a chat about what you think of the ending. I'll be fasscinated. I won't say another thing.I remember Therese Birch when she was on LBC before she got into this audio description malarky.Is there a good audio description recommendation list or forum anywhere, anyone? There ya go, I'm bringing the discussion back on message again - hope you appreciate that Barry and all ;)I saw a film on Sky Movies last night which sounded like a schoolgirl was doing it. I was quite shocked. It was a bit like getting a talking book disk through the mail and finding out it was read by a new zealand volunteer so you just put it back in the post....Damon -----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vanja SudarSent: 25 May 2010 12:12 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged!Ah, so it was definitely live from ABC. Interesting! I'm curious what happened during the commercials, IE. often when other sort of live simulcasts from the US happen on UK TV or radio it ends up that US commercials are longer or there are more breaks than here, so they have to fill in with other content, so I wonder what happened during lost, or did sky somehow just managed to get proper timing and correct number of commercials. OK, I'm being geeky here...lol, but back to the subject, you're right Damon, I was very disappointed. It's one of most unusual shows in TV history and if you've watched it from the beginning it pretty much becomes part of your life. Yes, some might call it sad, but I don't care. I just wish I was thinking like you and assumed that it wouldn't be audio described during the first showing. Glad you finally saw it, just please don't tell me how it ends *smiles* as I'll try to watch it and hope that tonight's repeat will be audio described!Vanja http://www.sudar.co.uk http://twitter.com/internetking MSN/windows live messenger: sudar23@xxxxxxxxxxx AIM: vanja121 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged!I do feel for poor old Vanja. Just to reiterate, it was the very last episode of a long-running cult series which has broken the rules of TV and also become a web phenomenon. There are literally millions of pages on the web theorising as to how the show is going to end. We're on episode 122 now, the finale, and poor old Vanja got up at 5am to watch it being simulcast on UK and US television. Another very unusual 'must see' event they created early this morning. I would've been terribly disappointed had I got up at 5am. I did consider it but had already guessed that the first showing wouldn't be audio described. My girlfriend and I were watching it earlier, incidentally, and it says "live from the US" on screen every 5 minutes or so. So it was a live feed coming from ABC in the states; hardly surprising Sky had no opportunity to get it described. Good debate though and I believe we should be expecting a high service. I'm hoping that more than 6% of tv shows are to be described when Ofcom goes through its data. Unless I've already missed the outcome. -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Scott C Sent: 24 May 2010 22:59 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged! But your missing the point Sack. It wasn't just one show. It was the show. It was the mane show the big one so to speak. Ta Scott. -----Original Message----- From: Saqib - Email Address: saqib@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent On: 24/05/2010 06:54 Sent To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - Email Address: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: I'm outraged! Hi Mike. It wasn't the actual message that got my goat this morning. It was the tone of it. Of course we should be on a level playing field as our sighted counter parts on numerous levels and that includes transport and general technology. What I was trying to get across was that it's not a huge catastrophy if something wasn't recorded in AD for one episode. There have been plenty of ocations where Corrie hasn't been recorded with AD and yes it's a nucense on a entertainment level but hay as I said we can't always have it our way. I'm not saying that people should put up with this if such errors are made ona regular basis but if its the odd program once in a while then I don't think it's a huge deal for me personally.Original message:I have to say first that I can sympathise with Saqib, that a sense of proportion is always useful. Perhaps keep 'outrage' for the genuinely outrageous, like the arrest, detention, torture and generalised persecution of blind political activists in China or the necessity for Blind and other Disabled People to beg in order to survive in many majority world countries! Nonetheless, I too can see Scott's point. TV is a comparatively recent invention. AD is there to remove the barriers that we as Blind Disabled People experience when accessing it. It is perfectly acceptable to expect it to be there . It is not something in the 21st century for which we should feel grateful or thankful, any more than we should for the removal of any other barrier which, if left in place, Leeds to our segregation or exclusion.Saqib I agree that 'outraged' is perhaps a tad O.T.T, but then I have no idea what 'Lost' is and therefore don't feel that strongly about it on a personal level. If I did and was trying to follow it, I might feel more angry that the AD which aught to have been part of the broadcast was omitted.Our expectations of equal treatment as Blind People, including the provision of AD, should not be tempered by gratitude or any sense of diffidence. We strive to be equal citizens with the right to be included and treated equally, in the society in which we live. Where it is typical for people to be able to access such facilities as colour TV, why should Blind People have to tolerate any less than equivalent reliable treatment than those with sight. 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