Karl, Most of the letters stand for something in the Braille system. Norman. > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of Karl Proud > Sent: 22 May 2014 17:45 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - > News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent > > Eleanor, > You are correct of course, my position wasn't that braille isn't good at > working for some people, just that it requires a learning curve that can > be a waste of time if it doesn't provide a personal ambition. So, does a > K letter in braille always stand for the word knowledge? You learn > something new every day. > > Karl > > On 22 May 2014, at 04:44 pm, "Eleanor Martha Burke" > <eleanormarthaburke@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Karl, if I had to write the word knowledge on a Braille machine/keyboard I > would write the letter k. If I had to do same on a qwerty keyboard I > would > have to write knowledge. I think a single character in my example is much > faster. > > -----Original Message----- > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf > Of > Karl Proud > Sent: 22 May 2014 16:36 > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - > News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent > > George, > All great points of course, but they don't take into account the > opportunity > cost of learning braille to a high standard. You mention that using grade > 2 > braille is quicker than using a qwerty keyboard for writing notes, but not > if a keyboard is already something you have experienced - would you argue > that it would be always worth learning if one can already do the things > you > need using a keyboard? My point is that learning of braille should be > seen > as a personal choice rather than as a definitive sign of being a > productive > blind person. Too many discussions conflate braille use with literacy or > independence. > > Karl > > > On 22 May 2014, at 02:36 pm, George Bell <george@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > An interesting discussion. > > Perhaps surprising to some is that braille awareness is actually on the > increase. > > However, like many things, how and where it is used is changing, just like > many other day to day things. For example, print book sales have fallen > because we have devices such as the Kindle. But that doesn't mean we stop > using printed paper altogether. > > Braille itself badly needed an overhaul, but finally we have Unified > English > Braille, or UEB, which has now been adopted by all major English speaking > countries. Few may believe it, but this should have the effect of > recusing > cost of production. > > When it comes to taking notes, grade 2 braille is much faster than using a > qwerty keyboard. > Study of subjects like mathematics and chemistry are usually much easier > to > understand when produced in braille. > Simple labelling is another area where braille comes into its own. > For many braille readers, they find they enjoy reading braille books as > opposed to falling asleep listening to a talking book. > > And a fact that is as important as any, is that there are far more braille > users employed that those who are not. > > George. > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq > > ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] > ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > ** and in the Subject line type > ** unsubscribe > ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the > ** immediately-following link:- > ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] > ** or send a message, to > ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq ** To leave the list, click on the immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe] ** If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ** and in the Subject line type ** unsubscribe ** For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the ** immediately-following link:- ** [mailto:access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq] ** or send a message, to ** access-uk-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the Subject:- faq