[access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
- From: Tony Sweeney <tonymsweeney@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 14:18:01 +0100
Great teaching indeed
And it stands to us to this day.
The best thing that happened to us in those dreary "detention centres"!
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Eleanor Martha Burke
Sent: 22 May 2014 14:11t happened in those schools.
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Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of Braille? -
News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
agree Tony and we are not locking our Braille teaching
> On 22 May 2014, at 14:01, Tony Sweeney <tonymsweeney@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> And as Eleanor said other symbols were not taught in her boarding
> school and ditto here so it was a bit of a stteep learning curve
> learning them and what they stand for, still.
>
> So it just wasn't in one school that that occurred.
>
> Didn't see capitalisation as a problem as again as was said we were
> always told that after a stop there is always a capital.
>
> It would have made Braille really really bulky indeed to have had all
> of the capitals required say in a text book for example.
>
> Tony---Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jackie Brown
> Sent: 22 May 2014 13:45
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Capitalisation came later in my Braille development, in other words,
> once I had learnt to read grade two itself. I favour the dot six
> personally, and I use it when I write Braille. It is a very
> controversial subject among Braillists and teachers.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: Thejackmate
>
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> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Iain Lackie
> Sent: 22 May 2014 13:34
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Standard English Braille has always included punctuation. Only
> capitalisation has been missing. However, the books we used at school
> for learning to read always included capitalisation. We were never
> expected to use it in written Braille. I think this was a pity.
>
> Iain
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eleanor Martha Burke
> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 11:56 AM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Continuing the discussion Jackie, I learned Braille at school and
> still use it, however I did not learn capitalisation, other than that
> I was informed that one always puts a capital letter after a full
> stop. American Braille however, includes capitalisation and
> punctuation. It was only as an adult Braillist that I learned all the
> symbols that indicated punctuation such as underline, italic etc. As
> for spelling I am not good at spelling and I personally attribute this to
Braille Grade ii but there you are!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jackie Brown
> Sent: 22 May 2014 11:32
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hi Vince
>
> Not sure how much we are wandering here, but I do think it is relevant
> to assistive technology.
>
> What concerns me about the reliance, if you like, on speech all the
> time for visually impaired youngsters - especially those with no sight
> at all - is that they are less likely to spell, punctuate and capitalise
appropriately.
> You miss these things with speech unless you are patient enough to go
> through everything you listen to letter by letter. If these crucial
> elements are not taught to blind children in mainstream education
> because it is considered that Braille is unnecessary, I really believe
> the kids are missing out.
>
> Had my son been born with any eye condition, I would have taught him
> to read and write Braille myself, unquestionably. While I type more
> than Braille these days, I am lucky enough to be able to swap just like
that.
>
> Martin has acquired sight loss due to RP, but he taught himself to
> read and write grade two Braille a few years ago in case he ever
> needed it. While he reads with his fingers quite slowly, he has a
> great memory for everything he taught himself.
>
> I just can't see Braille dying out in the immediate future, certainly
> not while I am alive with any luck! (smile).
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: Thejackmate
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Vincent Thacker
> Sent: 21 May 2014 23:35
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
>
>
> Jackie,
>
> I didn't achieve registration as blind until I was about 54, by which
> time I had too much else going on to fit learning Braile in as well.
> Sorry to say that I've taken the line of least resistance and use a
> screen reader for almost everything.
>
> I did learn a bit of Braille at my local blind society in the end, but
> didn't get any further than "a sad lad" and "dad will yell at you" and
> such things. Then I had to stop because of other commitments.
>
> But I agree that for children, it's surely an advantage to know
> Braille, even just as a quality of life measure. How else are the kids
> going to get any private reading, or private writing, for that matter?
> Great though audio books are, they are not the same as reading a book
> in print. It's too passive somehow to my mind. I'm sure reading
> Braille would come closer to the printed word.
>
> Just my tuppence worth, as someone who knows nothing but won't shut up.
>
> Vince.
>
>
>
>
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> Message Received: May 21 2014, 05:02 PM
> From: "Jackie Brown"
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc:
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hi Clive
>
> Yes, same goes for me. And I do believe children born blind should
> still be strongly encouraged to read and write good Braille wherever
> this is possible.
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Twitter: @thebrownsplace
> Skype: Thejackmate
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Clive.Lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: 21 May 2014 16:28
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hello,
>
> I read less and listen more. This is partly because there is much more
> literature accessible to us now that listening to audio books has
> become a sighted thing. However, one reason I don't have a personal
> problem with this change in my reading habits is that I already know
> how to communicate in writing...I hope! However, I'd hate to have been
> born blind and never had the chance to read and write independently.
>
> Best,
> Clive
>
>
> Clive Lever
> Diversity and Equality Officer
> Kent County Council
>
> Office: 01622 221163
> Email: clive.lever@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> Kent County Council
> Room G37
> Sessions House
> Maidstone, Kent.
> ME14 1XQ
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Gordon Keen
> Sent: 21 May 2014 16:21
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Does the digital age spell the end of
> Braille? - News - Gadgets and Tech - The Independent
>
> Hi
>
> Yes that was my take on the article as well, however I decided to post
> the article as I felt that some might want to visit the exhibition
> with a view to expressing their opinion once they had actually attended.
>
> Regards
>
> G
>
> From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England.
> .
>
> On 21 May 2014, at 15:44, Iain Lackie
> wrote:
>
>> I wasn't aware that the journalist was dismissing braille. If
> anything,
> the professor was concerned that blind people were being denied access
> to braille due to the rise of the use of other digital sources of
information.
> I think it unfair to blame the journalist for expressing the fears of
> someone else. If braille is not taught, of course it will die out. I
> have to say that even as a braille user, I read much less braille than
> I used to. I don't read any less, however.
>>
>> Iain
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