[access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
- From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:35:06 +0100
Hi Tony,
I am not even sure I accept this fully. With Daisy CD players now, you can
speed up the audio considerably, and if you are used to fast speech as I am,
you can read books very quickly, even audio books.
All the best
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Tony Cretney
Sent: 22 June 2005 10:43
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for cassette
tapes (I feel no pain)
I think the sad truth is that most people's ear cannot take in information
as fast as it can be taken in by a person who is reading the material from
the printed page. Even I with my limited vision am able to read faster from
the printed page with Low Visual Aids than I can when listening to a book on
tape or on C.D. This means that many books in their entirety would take
several hours or days to read through, whereas they can be read in
considerably less time by a sighted person reading them in what is for them
the way. Hence the books have to be abridged when put out in audio format.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 11:04 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for cassette
tapes (I feel no pain)
Ah yes Kevin, but those unabridged books go very largely to public
libraries. Of course you can buy them from the sources you mention, but
most people find them prohibitively exspensive.
Most books you will find in Waterstones or whereever are abridged, and, as
I've said before, the CD versions are often more abridged than the cassette
ones! Something to be said for cassettes after all? Well, if MP3 were to
be used more then there would be no need for that.
Ray
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----- Original Message -----
From: "kevin and emma" <kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:18 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for cassette
tapes (I feel no pain)
> hi, not sure where you got the idea audiobooks on tape are all abridged!
> i'm
> sure:
> http://www.isis-publishing.co.uk
> and
> http://www.audiobookcollection.comm
> might disagree! smile
> kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list
> contact me on kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Justin R" <mypc128@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 8:45 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
> cassette
> tapes (I feel no pain)
>
>
>> I quite agree actually. I find the Victor reader, as an example, not at
> all
>> portable and thus, can't take it on holiday with me. That's the to say,
> I'm
>> not really interested in audio books on cassettes, they are all abridged,
>> aren't they? I'd rather have the book in it's entirety. Plus, Cassettes
>> can be fiddly. Lets not forget, when one side finishes, you've got a
>> long
>> gap inbetween so, you have to forward the tape to the end to change
>> sides.
>> I think, in this day and age, the cassette is over really. Now that we
> have
>> DAISY format CD's. I'd like to see this format used for audio books
> across
>> the board.
>>
>> Justin
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Kevin Cussick" <mm0tmg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 6:12 PM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
> cassette
>> tapes (I feel no pain)
>>
>>
>> > Yes,
>> >
>> > It's the old problem when a bit of kit gets designed for blind users I
>> > think the folks that design it seem to think we have Cole bags as
>> > pockets and also I think a bit of kit should look good as well just
>> > because I am blind I don't want a bit of kit that looks crap I have
>> > bought a bit of kit which looks really crap but it works well just my
>> > thoughts.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
>> > Behalf
>> > Of kevin and emma
>> > Sent: 19 June 2005 14:09
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
>> > cassette tapes (I feel no pain)
>> >
>> >
>> > maybe the acceptance or lack of it, has been to do with size and
>> > portability? when the RNIB's talking book service went digital and
>> > sent out
>> > the victor reader player, it didn't exactly fit in your pocket!
>> > mainstream
>> > discmans did and still do. you can cram such equipment full of all
>> > sorts of
>> > useful features like the markers etc, but size and portability for
>> > some is
>> > far more important. personally, the markers save so much time and
>> > messing
>> > about, i wouldn't be without such a feature!
>> > kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list
>> > contact me on kream@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 11:54 AM
>> > Subject: [access-uk] BBC NEWS | Technology | Not long left for
>> > cassette
>> > tapes (I feel no pain)
>> >
>> >
>> > Interesting post Colin, not least the reflections on the by-gone days
>> > of
>> > real time copying and the record industry's anxst over life copying in
>> > the
>> > slow lane, so to speak. Sure they'd have those days back again if
>> > only they
>> > could!
>> >
>> > What perplexes me at times is how slow many of the VI community are in
>> > accepting the benefits of digital media, and particularly DAISY and
>> > DAISY
>> > players, especially as you can get these for free on loan. One bloke I
>> > know
>> > moaned about the fact that his JAWS manuals didn't come on cassette,
>> > but on
>> > CD. He went out and bought a bog standard walkman-type CD player to
>> > play
>> > them on, in spite of the fact I'd told him about the DAISY players'
>> > availability through the Talking Book arrangements with Local
>> > Authorities.
>> > The DAISY format addresses all the criticisms of the lack of ease
>> > about
>> > picking up where you left off, and you can mark areas of disks you are
>> > interested in, and just as easily remove the marks afterwards.
>> >
>> > Then there are still those who tell me how good it is that cassettes
>> > for
>> > magazines etc can be recycled and therefore how cost effective they
>> > still
>> > are. Really? How many of you have gone through the process of bulk
>> > erasing
>> > cassettes, and the time that adds to recycling hundreds of the damn
>> > things?
>> > Not to mention they sometimes, not very often though, snarl up. You
>> > can buy
>> > blank CDs in bulk for 10-15p each and it matters not that they aren't
>> > re-usable. Add to that the possibility of distributing in MP3 or
>> > other
>> > format, and the time savings in duplication are obvious. Eventually
>> > all
>> > this duplication should become a thing of the past when we get an
>> > easy to
>> > use internet player, rather like a radio -cassette player to use. Oh
>> > yes, I
>> > knew the cassette would have to appear again somehow. Thank goodness
>> > it is
>> > only in the form of a metaphor for the interface to operate the
>> > superior new
>> > digital players.
>> >
>> > For those who have missed the original Colin posted, go to:
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4099904.stm
>> >
>> > Ray
>> >
>> > Personal emails: Email me at
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