Stuart writes: "It looks like a perfectly legitimate position to me to claim that a machine can be conscious if consciousness is just so many functions being performed by certain kinds of processes which can be matched by a machine." Yes, Stuart. It is perfectly legitimate for you to imagine something that does process-list X, and to say of it, it is "conscious" in the sense of doing process-list X. The point being: you've only communicated to us that process-list X is imagined to be happening, and you've named it "conscious." The real question is what to do of people who deny the prop. They will either: (a) deny that process-list X will ever happen (be built); or (b) deny that its presence should be named "conscious" in their way of speaking (or deny that the imagined thing is a "machine"). If, when asserting (b), they offer a sense understandable in the language game, one is left with the ultimate conclusion: that your imagined creature is only "conscious" in a SENSE of speaking, assuming that sense is still viable in the language marketplace at the time the thing is built, if any. (Who knows -- we may have an entirely new grammar for it). Regards and thanks. Dr. Sean Wilson, Esq. [spoiler]Assistant Professor Wright State University Personal Website: http://seanwilson.org SSRN papers: http://tinyurl.com/3eatnrx Wittgenstein Discussion: http://seanwilson.org/wiki/doku.php?id=wittrs [/spoiler] _______________________________________________ Wittrs mailing list Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://undergroundwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/wittrs_undergroundwiki.org