Microsoft's product doesn't compete with ESX. It competes with GSX their lower end server product. Ron Oglesby Senior Technical Architect RapidApp Office 312.372.7188 Mobile 815.325.7618 email roglesby@xxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: Eric S. Perkins [mailto:esp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 5:51 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX I'm interested to hear about any experiences with the Microsoft competitive product to ESX, I'm sure it won't stack up, on the first go around but it would be nice for compatibility reasons when having to deal with support. -Eric S. Perkins "performance is our passion" Headquarters: 847.647.2430 Visit us Online: http://performance.ws |-----Original Message----- |From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On |Behalf Of Chris Lynch |Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 16:19 |To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx |Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX | | |-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- |Hash: SHA1 | |Exactly. When someone wants to add another service to the network, like a |DHCP server or WINS server, they go out an purchase something like a PE1650 |or Proliant DL360. This is a waste of system resources. | |Now, image that you have two DL380's, or PE2650's, or PE6650's. Connect to |an external SCSI array or SAN for storage. You have ESX running on both |servers. One server contains a DC with DNS, the other has another DC with |DNS. Install a SQL server, or a MF server, or even a F&P server. You |would |add another guest OS and partition the host hardware to those machines. | |Chris | |- -----Original Message----- |From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On |Behalf |Of Bernd Harzog |Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:54 PM |To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx |Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX | |Steve, | |You bring up an excellent point about using VMWare to consolidate physical |servers that are lightly used into a set of logical servers on one or two |physical boxes. That make a heck of a lot of sense, and we are seeing quite |a few of our customers go down this road. | |What we have not seen that much of, and what your point about overhead |brings up, is people taking relatively heavily loaded dual CPU Citrix |servers and collapsing them into quads, eight-ways, or even larger |machines. |The reason that I think we have not seen this is that people perceive that |the overhead of VMware means that you end up with fewer concurrent users on |two VM's on a quad, then you would with two separate dual CPU servers. | |I am wondering if anyone can verify what we are seeing in our customer |base, |or if anyone has different experiences. | |By way of a TScale plug, we have customers running TScale inside of their |VMware partitions so as to get more scalability and performance inside of |those partitions. It actually works quite well. | |Cheers, | |Bernd Harzog |CEO |RTO Software, Inc. |bernd.harzog@xxxxxxxxxxx |678-455-5506 x701 |www.rtosoft.com <http://www.rtosoft.com/> | |- -----Original Message----- |From: Steve Greenberg [mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] |Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 4:35 PM |To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx |Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX | |It is a technology which allows you to run a complete Operating System on |top of another Operating system. So, if you are running Windows XP, you can |launch a process which is a complete instance of Windows 2000 or LINUX, for |example. The HOST operating system sees the GUEST operating system as if it |is a program running locally while the GUEST OS "thinks" it has it's won |hardware available. | |The ESX server product is an Enterprise version of this capability which |dedicates and optimizations a multi CPU server, i.e. 4 or 8 way Pentium, as |a platform for running multiple instances of operating systems. This is |very |useful for test environments and for consolidate many servers into less |hardware. Many of our clients, for example, end up with 10 or 20 servers |that are doing very small tasks such as DHCP, licensing, hosting a specific |database or application, middleware, etc. In reality they end up |maintaining |these 10 or 20 servers when they may only use a few % of their resources. |For application compatibility reasons, OS version requirements, etc. you |often cannot combine these roles. So you use VMWare ESX as a way to run all |of those functions on one server which the ability to assign RAM and |PROCESSOR to each session as needed. | |In a Citrix context, it is a way to build a complete multi-server farm |functionally while maintaining much less hardware. In some cases the |overhead is not worth it, in others the simplification of hardware and |resource allocation outweighs any loss in raw performance. | |Regards, |Steve Greenberg |Thin Client Computing |34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 |Scottsdale, AZ 85262 |(602) 432-8649 |(602) 296-0411 fax |steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx |- -----Original Message----- |From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On |Behalf |Of Luchette, Jon |Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 1:37 PM |To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx |Subject: [THIN] VMWare ESX |Hey, | |Can somebody give me a high level overview of what VMWare is all about? We |have been looking at moving towards a Blade server platform for our 10 |Citrix servers specifically, and I am trying to see if VMWare is something |we should look into or not. Is it extremely expensive? What exactly does |it allow us as administrators to do? Is it to be used in conjunction with |Blade servers or as an alternative? The brochures and white papers on |their |website are confusing the hell out of me! | |Any help will be greatly appreciated. | |Thanks guys, | |/jL | | | |-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- |Version: PGP 8.0.3 |Comment: Public PGP Key for Chris Lynch. | |iQA/AwUBP8+yt29fg+xq5T3MEQLnaACeOZmYjv2vAowoGBOxRgyQmBfwgKcAn1lN |Ohp4zK30d28OyJke/ixa3tNa |=Bs3s |-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | | |******************************************************** |This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint .Print Server Engine |Thinprint can help you save money, protect resources, |simplify administration, save time and increase |flexibility by solving all of your printing needs. |http://www.thinprint.com |********************************************************** |Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: |http://thethin.net/links.cfm |Domains currently for sale by The Kenzig Group |http://www.kenzig.com/serv01.htm |New Site: Free Weblogs! |http://www.blogvortex.com |*********************************************************** |For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or |set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: |http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint .Print Server Engine Thinprint can help you save money, protect resources, simplify administration, save time and increase flexibility by solving all of your printing needs. http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm Domains currently for sale by The Kenzig Group http://www.kenzig.com/serv01.htm New Site: Free Weblogs! http://www.blogvortex.com *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm ******************************************************** This Week's Sponsor - ThinPrint .Print Server Engine Thinprint can help you save money, protect resources, simplify administration, save time and increase flexibility by solving all of your printing needs. http://www.thinprint.com ********************************************************** Useful Thin Client Computing Links are available at: http://thethin.net/links.cfm Domains currently for sale by The Kenzig Group http://www.kenzig.com/serv01.htm New Site: Free Weblogs! http://www.blogvortex.com *********************************************************** For Archives, to Unsubscribe, Subscribe or set Digest or Vacation mode use the below link: http://thethin.net/citrixlist.cfm