So you don't really think of it as a true server consolidation product? I am getting conficting reports here. This is the question: Can I use VMWare to squeeze more VM's/servers on the same hardware and expect equal perfomance as would be on independent boxes? If not and I need to buy more hardware to run multiple servers, it is sort of the same as buying more physical servers. I can understand that, but then why does VMWare continue to market this as a server consolidation / containment product when the real advantages are focused on other areas like testing/R&D, and DR? -----Original Message----- From: Chris Lynch [mailto:lynch00@xxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 3:35 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First off, you would not be re-using your existing servers to run ESX. If you are, you are going to need to have more RAM, far more than 4GB of RAM if you want to even get close to 7:1. If you really want to do this right, you are going to want to look into a hardware platform, like the DL560 or DL580 (if you are wanting to stay within the Proliant line). And you would want to get at least two host servers. Now, I have had some conversations with a Citrix engineer, and this very topic is quite a big one. The whole idea to run multiple guests to better utilize the hardware within a MF environment. MS has made some steps to improve resource utilization, but there are some limitations. Plus, with the ability for replication if you are using a SAN, DR is built-in with almost instant recovery. Chris ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Luchette, Jon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 2:00 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX What do you think about an HP DL360 g3 with 2gb of RAM? That's what I've got, 6 of them... -----Original Message----- From: Claus, Brian [mailto:BClaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:55 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX I also believe 10:1 is stretching it...but I've NEVER known a sales rep to exaggerate ;) I'd _guess_ that a HP DL360 G3 with dual processors and 4 GB of RAM could safely do a 4:1 ratio. My servers get hit pretty hard...40-50 users concurrent with over 60 different published apps. ________________________________ Brian Claus, MCP, Network+, A+ Network Administrator WESCO Distribution, Inc. 225 West Station Square Drive, Suite 700 Pittsburgh, PA 15219-1122 Phone: 412-454-2412 Fax: 412-454-2540 bclaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bclaus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Ryan Lambert Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:48 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX I was reading the product specs, and like you said... it looks like he'd be able to get like 6-10:1 if the utilization was pretty low... in theory. Then again, I don't have any real world experience with managing the product, so I am sure the "YMMV" rule applies here. From what he said, seems like these servers are getting pegged as it is... I'd think 10:1 was stretching it a bit. VMWare is something we've considered for our future plans... so I am definitely interested in this topic... -----Original Message----- From: Steve Greenberg [mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 4:40 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: VMWare ESX 2-4 Virtual servers on one hardware box is my real world experience with Citrix. Could be 6-10 servers if you are consolidating servers with very low utlization....as always it depends on what apps you are running. Steve Greenberg Thin Client Computing 34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453 Scottsdale, AZ 85262 (602) 432-8649 (602) 296-0411 fax steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ________________________________ From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Luchette, Jon Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:25 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] VMWare ESX Hello, we are looking at VMWare ESX. I just got out of a meeting with them and I was just wondering what any of you can tell me from your experience to expect as a general rule of consolidation with Citrix boxes. Right know we have 6 duals, with 2 gb of RAM, and are getting about 30 users per box. If we were to go with ESX, how many servers should we plan on consolidating to? Have any of you guys done something like this recently? We were told in the meeting that we could go anywhere in the vicinity of 6:1 to even 10:1. That seems a bit much to me, do any of you have any good VMWare consolidation stories for me? 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