[TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and partnumber and cross
- From: Ed Gaidies <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 08:19:58 -0500
Jeff...did you install your own gas line to the stove? Just wondering
what I should get you for Christmas, a Carbon Monoxide detector now
comes to mind....;-)
-Ed-
On Thursday, December 12, 2002, at 09:16 PM, Jeff Dougherty wrote:
>
> Good point Jeff.
> I've repaired my own appliances, even installed a gas range in place
> of our
> electric. Very simple stuff, compared to consumer electronics.
> support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> FAX 717-564-4952
> Jeff Dougherty
> Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
> 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
> Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
> 717-909-8844
> VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
> www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lyles Tv" <tech@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:44 AM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> partnumber and
> cross
>
>
>
> My dept is right next to the appliance dept. What gets me is how the
> appliance department can make good money, and need far less education.
> Not
> to insult anyone, but fixing appliances is not that hard. Keeping up
> with
> TV technology is very demanding. I've never seen an appliance
> technician
> repair a circuit board. I suppose I've just answered my own question
> about
> viability in the future. It'll take a couple of weeks to learn
> appliances,
> and I can make more money. With tv's, the education never stops.
> Heeeyy
> maybe I could make more by repairing those CBA's on appliances.
> (this is realism mixed with satire, please don't get bent out of shape)
> Jeff Farnsworth
> Lyles TV and Appliance
> 17 S Washington St
> Elkhorn, Wi. 53121
> ph 262-723-3477
> fax 262-723-3658
> tech@xxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teltek2" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:38 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> partnumber
> and cross
>
>
>>
>> Better subject for the Chat list, but different people will have
>> different
>> spins on this subject.
>> I for one would rather repair 2 VCR's at $25, than Zero VCR's at
>> $50. As
> I
>> mentioned previously, don't pass this info on to your customers. Just
> keeps
>> me from saying.."Do you want fries with that"?
>> C'mon folks...we all know where this type of business is heading, just
> make
>> the best of it.
>> You,... young guys that still have a chance to bail out, do it
> now...and
>> leave, what's left to us "Old Fellows". Right Al...??
>>
>> -Ed-
>> Tel-Tek Electronics
>> Ontario-Canada
>>
>> teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:09 PM
>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>> partnumber
>> and cross
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Finally someone said something!
>>>
>>> David Lessard
>>> mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jeff Dougherty
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:00 PM
>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>>> partnumber and cross
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joe,
>>> How do you know how much it costs to keep my doors open, or Joe
>>> Schmoe,
>> down
>>> the
>>> street.
>>> You, in no way, can determine how much it costs to keep anyone's
>>> doors
>> open,
>>> but
>>> your own.
>>> There are many factors to take into consideration before "YOU" tell
>>> me,
> or
>>> anyone,
>>> how much they should be charging. What works for you, may not work
>>> for
> the
>>> guy in
>>> CA.
>>> I bet your competitors have a different cost of doing business than
>>> you
>> do.
>>> You have no right, or knowledge, to tell anyone else how much they
> should
>> be
>>> charging to do repairs.
>>> Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> FAX 717-564-4952
>>> Jeff Dougherty
>>> Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
>>> 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
>>> Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
>>> 717-909-8844
>>> VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
>>> www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
>>> www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
>>> *********************************************************************
>>> **
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Joe Batchelor" <jbc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:12 PM
>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> partnumber
>>> and
>>> cross
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You charge $20 for a free estimate?
>>> I do not fault you because I do not give a free estimate either,
>>> but I do not tell anyone that it is free.
>>>
>>> Your $40 hour goes into replacing shop supplies, schematics and
>>> new equipment purchases, but what about rent, lights, water, gas,
>> insurance,
>>> phone, taxes, accounting, advertising, warranty work, vacation pay?
>>>
>>> Many years ago I worked with an old man that said that he might
>>> starve
> to
>>> death,
>>> but he was not going to do it working his butt off.
>>>
>>> I understand the problem of low priced VCR's, but that does not
>>> change
>> the
>>> cost of doing business. If it costs $100 an hour to keep the doors
> open,
>>> then
>>> collecting $40 is just putting off the final result.
>>>
>>> Joe Batchelor CET TX-80
>>>
>>>
>>> 12/10/02 10:31:53 AM, "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> We truly live in a throw away world. You can buy one of those crappy
>> stereo
>>>> VCR's today for about $90 CDN. If it lasted 3 - 5 years would you
>> honestly
>>>> spend $60 - $80 to repair it, probably not, and that is a problem
>>>> for
>>> repair
>>>> shops today trying to make money. I provide free estimates for all
>>>> my
>>>> customers, I also explain that if for whatever reason the repair is
>>>> not
>>>> practical, i.e. too much money, the refused estimate is only $20.
>> Needless
>>>> to say I try to repair everything I can, within reason of course.
>>>> This
>>>> usually means flat rating jobs because sometimes those nasty
>> intermittents
>>>> hold up the diagnosis and/or repair, other times there are no
>>>> resources
>>>> (working blind - no schematic). I ask my customers how much do they
> want
>> to
>>>> spend upfront, and if the repair cost exceeds that amount I call
>>>> them
>> with
>>>> the estimate. In this way I can repair things while open rather then
>>>> tracking the customer down for repair approval, it works for me. My
> rate
>> is
>>>> $40 hour and most of that goes into replacing shop supplies,
>>>> schematics
>> and
>>>> new equipment purchases. In the end I work for about $10 - $15 hour,
>> almost
>>>> not worth it, but it's in my blood :-)
>>>>
>>>> David Lessard
>>>> Alexandria Electronics
>>>> mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> (613)525-4502
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard G.
>>>> Caillouet
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:03 AM
>>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>>>> partnumber and cross
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We are fortunate not to have to depend on VCRs and combos for a
>> significant
>>>> part of our business. We charge a $30 fee up front for estimates,
> which
>>>> applies to the repair cost if the estimate is accepted. We charge a
>>> minimum
>>>> of $40 labor for cleaning and very minor repairs. For a mode switch
>>>> cleaning or replacement we charge $60 or $80 depending on the
>>>> amount of
>>>> disassemble required. This makes a lot of repairs not economical
>>>> and
> we
>>>> explain this to the customer up front. I can't justify charging
>>>> less
>> when
>>>> we could be doing TVs and RPTV and making money. I figure a
>>>> minimum of
>> $60
>>>> an hour to keep the doors open.
>>>>
>>>> Leonard G. Caillouet
>>>> Service Manager
>>>> Electronics World
>>>> Gainesville, FL
>>>> 352-332-5608
>>>> 352-332-5668 (fax)
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Electric Medic" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:22 AM
>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> partnumber
>>>> and cross
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We always get at least $49 on vcr repairs. The customer has to
>>>>> leave
>> $35
>>>>> when they drop it off. If they do not want to put that in it, then
>>>>> we
>> do
>>>> not
>>>>> even have to look at it. Once we get the $35, we always almost
>>>>> charge
>>> more
>>>>> for the final repair, usually $20 or $30 more, plus parts. It must
> not
>>>> seem
>>>>> as hard if they break it down in two payments. VCR's are at least
>>>>> 30%
>> of
>>>> our
>>>>> business. For everyone that knows about or wants to buy a new cheap
>> one,
>>>>> there is one that wants to have their original fixed. And I am
> thankful
>>>> for
>>>>> that. We also have to fix many under warranty, some Manufacturers
>>>>> pay
>> us
>>>> $85
>>>>> labor to fix a VCR. I will let our customers know what the
>> manufacturers
>>>> pay
>>>>> to have one fixed, then it doesn't seem to bad for the customer to
> pay
>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perry Bower
>>>>> Electric Medic
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>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gary McCartney
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:36 AM
>>>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>>>>> partnumber and cross
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff, thats great if you can get that much, but how do you manage
>>>>> to
>> get
>>>>> it? Do you still offer the long warranties that you once did? What
>>>>> do
>>>>> you do if a unit requires major parts such as heads? Do you eat the
>> cost
>>>>> of the part, or do you offer to do the job for a higher amount?
> Around
>>>>> here I can barely get $49.00 CDN for a VCR repair, unless it is a
>> higher
>>>>> end unit and the customer remembers paying $600.00 for it when it
>>>>> was
>>>>> new, plus they also have to understand that the new ones are junk.
>>>>> I
>>>>> remind people of the junk factor all the time but they still would
>>>>> rather buy the Walleymart one year wonder. (wonder if it will work
> for
>> a
>>>>> year, that is, hehehe)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gary McCartney
>>>>>
>>>>> McCartney Electronics
>>>>> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
>>>>> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
>>>>> Fax: (519)821-1530
>>>>> email: gary (at) number63.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff Dougherty wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've started charging a flat $49.00 fee on VCR repairs. I can do
> most
>>>>> repairs in
>>>>>> one hour or less.
>>>>>> Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> FAX 717-564-4952
>>>>>> Jeff Dougherty
>>>>>> Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
>>>>>> 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
>>>>>> Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
>>>>>> 717-909-8844
>>>>>> VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
>>>>>> www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
>>>>>> www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
>>>>>>
>> **********************************************************************
>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Leonard G. Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:13 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>>>> partnumber
>>>>> and
>>>>>> cross
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How much labor do you all charge for these repairs?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leonard G. Caillouet
>>>>>> Service Manager
>>>>>> Electronics World
>>>>>> Gainesville, FL
>>>>>> 352-332-5608
>>>>>> 352-332-5668 (fax)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Jeff Dougherty" <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:59 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>>>> partnumber
>>>>>> and cross
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jose,
>>>>>>> The part number is in the thread.
>>>>>>>>>>>> All 3 needed the same rotary switch. Part number
>>>> 483527617343
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> FAX 717-564-4952
>>>>>>> Jeff Dougherty
>>>>>>> Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
>>>>>>> 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
>>>>>>> Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
>>>>>>> 717-909-8844
>>>>>>> VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
>>>>>>> www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
>>>>>>> www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
>>>>>>>
>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>> ***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "JOSE R. PANIAGUA" <breadywater@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: "techassist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:24 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>>>>> partnumber
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> cross
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hello: J Siverman
>>>>>>> Can you please be so kind and at least give us the part # ,so if
>>>> someone
>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>> order he can do it with it.
>>>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>>> Jose R. Paniagua.
>>>>>>> Breadywater@xxxxxxx
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: J Silverman
>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:20 PM
>>>>>>> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
>>>>> partnumber
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> cross
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Over here, the newer Funai mode switches cost about $1.50. We
>> usually
>>>>> buy
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> least 20 of a kind at a time directly from Funai Parts. At
> current
>>>> shop
>>>>>>> rates, $1.50 is equivalent to about 75 seconds of time, so it
> costs
>>>> more
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> repair than replace. However, a lot of them can be taken apart
>>> without
>>>>>>> desoldering which saves about 30 seconds. Still cheaper to
> replace
>>> and
>>>>> far
>>>>>>> less chance of having to do it all over again free. Also the
> newest
>>>>> switch
>>>>>>> is so small and flimsy, if you even touch the fingers they just
>> roll
>>>>> over
>>>>>>> and die.
>>>>>>> I do save lots of the old switches for the day when they may
> become
>>>> NLA.
>>>>>>> Jerry Silverman
>>>>>>> Greentron Inc
>>>>>>> From: "Vilhelm Boor" <villyboor@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> I think you will find that it is a problem with the
>>>> surface
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the plastic, We have a series here where over the years I have
> gone
>>>> from
>>>>>>> advocating not to clean to cleaning them. This is my reason for
>> using
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> finest grade of steel wool to resurface metal and plastic. Then a
>>> good
>>>>>> wash
>>>>>>> in hot water and detergent to get impurities from all surfaces.
> Now
>>>> wash
>>>>>>> again with contact cleaner and lightly coat with a silicone
>>> lubricant.
>>>>>>> Retention the fingers and its as good as new
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes--replace the mode switch. I have repaired a lot of mode
>>>> switches
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>> the years, and the only ones I have had too replace in the
> past
>>>> were
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> really bad shape. These can look perfect, and fail. I don't
>> know
>>>>>>>>> why------yet
>>>>>>>>> Jeff Farnsworth
>>>>>>> , Lyles Tv wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have 3 combos in here right now. With the help of
> people
>>>>> here,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>> that rebuilding/cleaning the mode switches like I have
> been
>>>> doing
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> years----don't work on these. I have trying to create a
>>> little
>>>>>>> database
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> combo cross references as no one has been able to supply
> me
>>>> with
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>> three units I have here are
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sylvania SSC092
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phillips CCB092
>>>>>>>>>>>> Symphonic WF-13C1
>>>>>>>>>>>> All 3 needed the same rotary switch. Part number
>>>> 483527617343
>>>>>>>>>>>> Don't bother trying ness right now. I just ordered their
>>> last
>>>> 2
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> stock,
>>>>>>>>>>> just 2 minutes ago
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do have some more in my cross, but it is not in a
>>>> presentable
>>>>>>> format
>>>>>>>>>>> yet. When I can donate something usable, i will up load
> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, the generally common symptom with these were
> "stuck
>>>> tape"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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