[TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and partnumber and cross
- From: "Edward Gaidies" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 10:01:24 -0500
Well Jeff...since you DID answer your own question, look at the positive
side, since the Appliance Department is right next to you, won't be much
effort to slide your toolbox over a few feet..;-).
People will always spend $100 on a $600 fridge, washer or dryer.
-Ed-
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyles Tv" <tech@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2002 9:44 AM
Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and partnumber
and cross
>
> My dept is right next to the appliance dept. What gets me is how the
> appliance department can make good money, and need far less education.
Not
> to insult anyone, but fixing appliances is not that hard. Keeping up with
> TV technology is very demanding. I've never seen an appliance technician
> repair a circuit board. I suppose I've just answered my own question
about
> viability in the future. It'll take a couple of weeks to learn
appliances,
> and I can make more money. With tv's, the education never stops. Heeeyy
> maybe I could make more by repairing those CBA's on appliances.
> (this is realism mixed with satire, please don't get bent out of shape)
> Jeff Farnsworth
> Lyles TV and Appliance
> 17 S Washington St
> Elkhorn, Wi. 53121
> ph 262-723-3477
> fax 262-723-3658
> tech@xxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teltek2" <teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 7:38 PM
> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and partnumber
> and cross
>
>
> >
> > Better subject for the Chat list, but different people will have
different
> > spins on this subject.
> > I for one would rather repair 2 VCR's at $25, than Zero VCR's at $50.
As
> I
> > mentioned previously, don't pass this info on to your customers. Just
> keeps
> > me from saying.."Do you want fries with that"?
> > C'mon folks...we all know where this type of business is heading, just
> make
> > the best of it.
> > You,... young guys that still have a chance to bail out, do it
> now...and
> > leave, what's left to us "Old Fellows". Right Al...??
> >
> > -Ed-
> > Tel-Tek Electronics
> > Ontario-Canada
> >
> > teltek2@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:09 PM
> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
partnumber
> > and cross
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Finally someone said something!
> > >
> > > David Lessard
> > > mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jeff Dougherty
> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 8:00 PM
> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > partnumber and cross
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe,
> > > How do you know how much it costs to keep my doors open, or Joe
Schmoe,
> > down
> > > the
> > > street.
> > > You, in no way, can determine how much it costs to keep anyone's doors
> > open,
> > > but
> > > your own.
> > > There are many factors to take into consideration before "YOU" tell
me,
> or
> > > anyone,
> > > how much they should be charging. What works for you, may not work for
> the
> > > guy in
> > > CA.
> > > I bet your competitors have a different cost of doing business than
you
> > do.
> > > You have no right, or knowledge, to tell anyone else how much they
> should
> > be
> > > charging to do repairs.
> > > Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > FAX 717-564-4952
> > > Jeff Dougherty
> > > Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
> > > 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
> > > Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
> > > 717-909-8844
> > > VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
> > > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> > > www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
> > >
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> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Batchelor" <jbc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:12 PM
> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> partnumber
> > > and
> > > cross
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You charge $20 for a free estimate?
> > > I do not fault you because I do not give a free estimate either,
> > > but I do not tell anyone that it is free.
> > >
> > > Your $40 hour goes into replacing shop supplies, schematics and
> > > new equipment purchases, but what about rent, lights, water, gas,
> > insurance,
> > > phone, taxes, accounting, advertising, warranty work, vacation pay?
> > >
> > > Many years ago I worked with an old man that said that he might starve
> to
> > > death,
> > > but he was not going to do it working his butt off.
> > >
> > > I understand the problem of low priced VCR's, but that does not
change
> > the
> > > cost of doing business. If it costs $100 an hour to keep the doors
> open,
> > > then
> > > collecting $40 is just putting off the final result.
> > >
> > > Joe Batchelor CET TX-80
> > >
> > >
> > > 12/10/02 10:31:53 AM, "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >We truly live in a throw away world. You can buy one of those crappy
> > stereo
> > > >VCR's today for about $90 CDN. If it lasted 3 - 5 years would you
> > honestly
> > > >spend $60 - $80 to repair it, probably not, and that is a problem for
> > > repair
> > > >shops today trying to make money. I provide free estimates for all my
> > > >customers, I also explain that if for whatever reason the repair is
not
> > > >practical, i.e. too much money, the refused estimate is only $20.
> > Needless
> > > >to say I try to repair everything I can, within reason of course.
This
> > > >usually means flat rating jobs because sometimes those nasty
> > intermittents
> > > >hold up the diagnosis and/or repair, other times there are no
resources
> > > >(working blind - no schematic). I ask my customers how much do they
> want
> > to
> > > >spend upfront, and if the repair cost exceeds that amount I call them
> > with
> > > >the estimate. In this way I can repair things while open rather then
> > > >tracking the customer down for repair approval, it works for me. My
> rate
> > is
> > > >$40 hour and most of that goes into replacing shop supplies,
schematics
> > and
> > > >new equipment purchases. In the end I work for about $10 - $15 hour,
> > almost
> > > >not worth it, but it's in my blood :-)
> > > >
> > > >David Lessard
> > > >Alexandria Electronics
> > > >mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >(613)525-4502
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >[mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Leonard G.
> > > >Caillouet
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 11:03 AM
> > > >To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > >partnumber and cross
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >We are fortunate not to have to depend on VCRs and combos for a
> > significant
> > > >part of our business. We charge a $30 fee up front for estimates,
> which
> > > >applies to the repair cost if the estimate is accepted. We charge a
> > > minimum
> > > >of $40 labor for cleaning and very minor repairs. For a mode switch
> > > >cleaning or replacement we charge $60 or $80 depending on the amount
of
> > > >disassemble required. This makes a lot of repairs not economical and
> we
> > > >explain this to the customer up front. I can't justify charging less
> > when
> > > >we could be doing TVs and RPTV and making money. I figure a minimum
of
> > $60
> > > >an hour to keep the doors open.
> > > >
> > > >Leonard G. Caillouet
> > > >Service Manager
> > > >Electronics World
> > > >Gainesville, FL
> > > >352-332-5608
> > > >352-332-5668 (fax)
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Electric Medic" <info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:22 AM
> > > >Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> partnumber
> > > >and cross
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>
> > > >> We always get at least $49 on vcr repairs. The customer has to
leave
> > $35
> > > >> when they drop it off. If they do not want to put that in it, then
we
> > do
> > > >not
> > > >> even have to look at it. Once we get the $35, we always almost
charge
> > > more
> > > >> for the final repair, usually $20 or $30 more, plus parts. It must
> not
> > > >seem
> > > >> as hard if they break it down in two payments. VCR's are at least
30%
> > of
> > > >our
> > > >> business. For everyone that knows about or wants to buy a new cheap
> > one,
> > > >> there is one that wants to have their original fixed. And I am
> thankful
> > > >for
> > > >> that. We also have to fix many under warranty, some Manufacturers
pay
> > us
> > > >$85
> > > >> labor to fix a VCR. I will let our customers know what the
> > manufacturers
> > > >pay
> > > >> to have one fixed, then it doesn't seem to bad for the customer to
> pay
> > > it.
> > > >>
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> > > >> Electric Medic
> > > >> "It's Cheaper to Keep Her"
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> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Gary McCartney
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 1:36 AM
> > > >> To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > >> partnumber and cross
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeff, thats great if you can get that much, but how do you manage
to
> > get
> > > >> it? Do you still offer the long warranties that you once did? What
do
> > > >> you do if a unit requires major parts such as heads? Do you eat the
> > cost
> > > >> of the part, or do you offer to do the job for a higher amount?
> Around
> > > >> here I can barely get $49.00 CDN for a VCR repair, unless it is a
> > higher
> > > >> end unit and the customer remembers paying $600.00 for it when it
was
> > > >> new, plus they also have to understand that the new ones are junk.
I
> > > >> remind people of the junk factor all the time but they still would
> > > >> rather buy the Walleymart one year wonder. (wonder if it will work
> for
> > a
> > > >> year, that is, hehehe)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Gary McCartney
> > > >>
> > > >> McCartney Electronics
> > > >> 7134 Fife Rd, RR 7
> > > >> Guelph Ontario Canada N1H 6J4
> > > >> Fax: (519)821-1530
> > > >> email: gary (at) number63.ca
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Jeff Dougherty wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I've started charging a flat $49.00 fee on VCR repairs. I can do
> most
> > > >> repairs in
> > > >> > one hour or less.
> > > >> > Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > FAX 717-564-4952
> > > >> > Jeff Dougherty
> > > >> > Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
> > > >> > 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
> > > >> > Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
> > > >> > 717-909-8844
> > > >> > VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
> > > >> > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> > > >> > www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
> > > >> >
> > ***********************************************************************
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Leonard G. Caillouet" <lcaillo@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > Sent: Monday, December 09, 2002 11:13 AM
> > > >> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > >partnumber
> > > >> and
> > > >> > cross
> > > >> >
> > > >> > How much labor do you all charge for these repairs?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Leonard G. Caillouet
> > > >> > Service Manager
> > > >> > Electronics World
> > > >> > Gainesville, FL
> > > >> > 352-332-5608
> > > >> > 352-332-5668 (fax)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > From: "Jeff Dougherty" <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 8:59 PM
> > > >> > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > >partnumber
> > > >> > and cross
> > > >> >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Jose,
> > > >> > > The part number is in the thread.
> > > >> > > > >> > >All 3 needed the same rotary switch. Part number
> > > >483527617343
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Jeff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > FAX 717-564-4952
> > > >> > > Jeff Dougherty
> > > >> > > Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts.
> > > >> > > 501 Luther Rd They may become your words
> > > >> > > Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment.
> > > >> > > 717-909-8844
> > > >> > > VCR tips, electronics info & general interest.
> > > >> > > www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net
> > > >> > > www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com
> > > >> > >
> > >
>***********************************************************************
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > From: "JOSE R. PANIAGUA" <breadywater@xxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > To: "techassist" <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 11:24 PM
> > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > >> partnumber
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > cross
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > hello: J Siverman
> > > >> > > Can you please be so kind and at least give us the part # ,so
if
> > > >someone
> > > >> > want to
> > > >> > > order he can do it with it.
> > > >> > > Thank you.
> > > >> > > Jose R. Paniagua.
> > > >> > > Breadywater@xxxxxxx
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > >> > > From: J Silverman
> > > >> > > Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2002 1:20 PM
> > > >> > > To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > > Subject: [TechAssist] Re: Mode switch for these combos fix and
> > > >> partnumber
> > > >> > and
> > > >> > > cross
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Over here, the newer Funai mode switches cost about $1.50. We
> > usually
> > > >> buy
> > > >> > at
> > > >> > > least 20 of a kind at a time directly from Funai Parts. At
> current
> > > >shop
> > > >> > > rates, $1.50 is equivalent to about 75 seconds of time, so it
> costs
> > > >more
> > > >> > to
> > > >> > > repair than replace. However, a lot of them can be taken apart
> > > without
> > > >> > > desoldering which saves about 30 seconds. Still cheaper to
> replace
> > > and
> > > >> far
> > > >> > > less chance of having to do it all over again free. Also the
> newest
> > > >> switch
> > > >> > > is so small and flimsy, if you even touch the fingers they just
> > roll
> > > >> over
> > > >> > > and die.
> > > >> > > I do save lots of the old switches for the day when they may
> become
> > > >NLA.
> > > >> > > Jerry Silverman
> > > >> > > Greentron Inc
> > > >> > > From: "Vilhelm Boor" <villyboor@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >> > > > I think you will find that it is a problem with the
> > > >surface
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > the plastic, We have a series here where over the years I have
> gone
> > > >from
> > > >> > > advocating not to clean to cleaning them. This is my reason for
> > using
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > finest grade of steel wool to resurface metal and plastic. Then
a
> > > good
> > > >> > wash
> > > >> > > in hot water and detergent to get impurities from all surfaces.
> Now
> > > >wash
> > > >> > > again with contact cleaner and lightly coat with a silicone
> > > lubricant.
> > > >> > > Retention the fingers and its as good as new
> > > >> > > > >
> > > >> > > > >yes--replace the mode switch. I have repaired a lot of mode
> > > >switches
> > > >> > > over
> > > >> > > > >the years, and the only ones I have had too replace in the
> past
> > > >were
> > > >> in
> > > >> > > > >really bad shape. These can look perfect, and fail. I
don't
> > know
> > > >> > > > >why------yet
> > > >> > > > >Jeff Farnsworth
> > > >> > > , Lyles Tv wrote:
> > > >> > > > >> > >I have 3 combos in here right now. With the help of
> people
> > > >> here,
> > > >> > I
> > > >> > > > >found
> > > >> > > > >> > that rebuilding/cleaning the mode switches like I have
> been
> > > >doing
> > > >> > for
> > > >> > > > >> > years----don't work on these. I have trying to create a
> > > little
> > > >> > > database
> > > >> > > > >of
> > > >> > > > >> > combo cross references as no one has been able to supply
> me
> > > >with
> > > >> > one.
> > > >> > > > >The
> > > >> > > > >> > three units I have here are
> > > >> > > > >> > >Sylvania SSC092
> > > >> > > > >> > >Phillips CCB092
> > > >> > > > >> > >Symphonic WF-13C1
> > > >> > > > >> > >All 3 needed the same rotary switch. Part number
> > > >483527617343
> > > >> > > > >> > >Don't bother trying ness right now. I just ordered
their
> > > last
> > > >2
> > > >> > in
> > > >> > > > >stock,
> > > >> > > > >> > just 2 minutes ago
> > > >> > > > >> > >I do have some more in my cross, but it is not in a
> > > >presentable
> > > >> > > format
> > > >> > > > >> > yet. When I can donate something usable, i will up load
> it.
> > > >> > > > >> > > Btw, the generally common symptom with these were
> "stuck
> > > >tape"
> > > >> > > > >> > >
> > > >> > > > >>
> > > >> > >
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