David, Sorry - totally misunderstood you. Part of the worry which leads to staggers is of course to make sure pedestrians actually perceive the two crossing halves as being separate - some authorities (inc Leeds) already reduce the staggers to 'zero' (opposite studs in line) where considered necessary - but at least these still look different to 'straight across' crossings. Keeping the crossings safe when there are a mixture of similar-looking types around (all seemingly 'straight across' but some on a common phase and some not) could be difficult and would depend on a number of factors - mainly island width. Also large numbers of peds would easily mask the nearside indicators (and additional high-level indicators would give a 'see through' problem again). There is a new Traffic Advisory Leaflet due out shortly (replacement of TA15/81) which, when I saw it in draft, was being pretty even-handed about left/right or right/left staggers - so you may get your wish. Mervyn 0113 2476750 ________________________________________________________________________ The information in this email (and any attachment) may be for the intended recipient only. If you know you are not the intended recipient, please do not use or disclose the information in any way and please delete this email (and any attachment) from your system. Service of legal documents is not accepted by email ________________________________________________________________________ ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug