[SI-LIST] Re: Proper use of the Si-List
- From: steve weir <weirsp@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: johndp@xxxxxxxx, si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 03:51:03 -0700
My views tend to align with John. If a poster becomes offensive, or just
seem unable or unwilling to tie their own shoes, then eventually they just
get ignored.
Where I differ a bit with John is on the consultant issue. It takes an
incredible amount of thought and effort to publish technical material of
any value be it a book, or a seminar. In the meantime, the many
consultants here through their: posting, courses, books and consulting have
provided immeasurable assistance to many people and companies. I think a
little reminder that consultants eat too is a cheap price to pay for all
that value.
Regards to all.
Steve.
At 10:49 AM 9/20/2004 +0100, john wrote:
>While I would agree that the SI-List is not somewhere to get first
>semester degree (or in some cases it appears even secondary school)
>education, it is however a place of learning. It is a place where views
>can be expressed and questions asked, it is not a place for free
>advertising for books, courses or consulting services. If a list member
>(who gains no financial benefit form the goods/services) recommends a
>particular course ,or book then that is a different matter.
>
>I recently heard a consultant say something on the lines of ' I can not
>understand some members of the SI list giving away there IP for free',
>this same consultant recently asked the list for advice for which I'm
>sure they could have paid another consultant for.... maybe this was why
>there was only limited response.
>
>The list pretty much regulates itself for content, if questions are to
>basic or if they require to much IP, then they are normally ignored.
>If a problem is posted that a lot of us a facing then normally a good
>debate happens and the readers/posters are left to make there own
>technical decision based on the discussion.
>
>Yes, some of the questions can be infuriating when the author shows no
>ability to help themselves, however there is a filter mechanism, it is a
>handy key marked 'delete'.
>
>Regards
>
>John
>
>
>Dr. Edward P. Sayre wrote:
>
> >Folks:
> >
> >I think its time we put the use of the SI-List in perspective and lay down
> >some rules:
> >
> >In my opinion, I think it should be a clearly stated goal that the SI-List
> >is not a place for beginners to learn. It should be a place for discussion
> >of substantive alternate points of view and in-depth questions on new
> >technology, tools and SI techniques. There are many seminars and books that
> >should be consulted before bringing elementary problems to the SI-List list
> >membership. A quick search on Google will suffice on this point.
> >
> >The SI-List should not be the place to get free technical
> >consulting. There are many capable consultants whose professional
> >livelihood depends on helping existing and new clients with their problems
> >in a cost effective and rapid manner. Many excellent suggestions can be
> >found on the Si-List by these folks and it is not a burden to find out who
> >they are and how they can help you. If your project has not been funded to
> >support the required work, whether by yourself or a consultant, then the
> >list should not be burdened by requests for free help.
> >
> >
> >
> >>As many of you know, I am one of those senior SI guys. I'm sick and tired
> >>of getting slammed because of that long experience I bring to the table
> >>and frankly, I hate seeing the recent snide remarks and personalities
> >>quirks expressed on the SI-List. The SI-List has been and should be
> >>strictly for substantive technical questions to be asked and answered.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >ed sayre
> >
> >
> >
> >
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