[SI-LIST] Re: Proper use of the Si-List
- From: "Ken Cantrell" <Ken.Cantrell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <weirsp@xxxxxxxxxx>, <johndp@xxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 09:37:53 -0600
This one is someting of a Gordian knot, isn't it? I agree that "delete"
works just fine, but it would be preferrable if everyone did "due
engineering diligence" before posting a question. I have to agree with Ed
that the list is not for beginners (meaning someone who obviously has not
even attempted to research their question), other than to ask for
suggestions on appropritate texts/articles, etc., for further study. Do
your homework first, and then ask a meaningful question if you still have
one. You might find that you can solve your own problems.
As far as consultants and authors advertising - keep it short, post a link.
In the vast majority of instances, those who represent the front line of
consultancy understand this and do not violate it. If you are not sure, ask
Ray. Personally, I want to be alerted about upcoming events/opportunities
that any of our senior members are hosting. I used "alerted" intentionally,
which translated means - short, post a link.
Snide remarks and quirks - not sure which particular instance Ed was
referring to here, they pop up from time to time, but they obviously should
be minimized. We are professionals and should act that way. On the flip
side, no one is perfect, and I've seen some very heated discussions that
still yielded information that was useful to myself, and assumedly the SI
community at large. The price of free speech is volatility. Delete as
required.
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[mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of steve weir
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:51 AM
To: johndp@xxxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Proper use of the Si-List
My views tend to align with John. If a poster becomes offensive, or just
seem unable or unwilling to tie their own shoes, then eventually they just
get ignored.
Where I differ a bit with John is on the consultant issue. It takes an
incredible amount of thought and effort to publish technical material of
any value be it a book, or a seminar. In the meantime, the many
consultants here through their: posting, courses, books and consulting have
provided immeasurable assistance to many people and companies. I think a
little reminder that consultants eat too is a cheap price to pay for all
that value.
Regards to all.
Steve.
At 10:49 AM 9/20/2004 +0100, john wrote:
>While I would agree that the SI-List is not somewhere to get first
>semester degree (or in some cases it appears even secondary school)
>education, it is however a place of learning. It is a place where views
>can be expressed and questions asked, it is not a place for free
>advertising for books, courses or consulting services. If a list member
>(who gains no financial benefit form the goods/services) recommends a
>particular course ,or book then that is a different matter.
>
>I recently heard a consultant say something on the lines of ' I can not
>understand some members of the SI list giving away there IP for free',
>this same consultant recently asked the list for advice for which I'm
>sure they could have paid another consultant for.... maybe this was why
>there was only limited response.
>
>The list pretty much regulates itself for content, if questions are to
>basic or if they require to much IP, then they are normally ignored.
>If a problem is posted that a lot of us a facing then normally a good
>debate happens and the readers/posters are left to make there own
>technical decision based on the discussion.
>
>Yes, some of the questions can be infuriating when the author shows no
>ability to help themselves, however there is a filter mechanism, it is a
>handy key marked 'delete'.
>
>Regards
>
>John
>
>
>Dr. Edward P. Sayre wrote:
>
> >Folks:
> >
> >I think its time we put the use of the SI-List in perspective and lay
down
> >some rules:
> >
> >In my opinion, I think it should be a clearly stated goal that the
SI-List
> >is not a place for beginners to learn. It should be a place for
discussion
> >of substantive alternate points of view and in-depth questions on new
> >technology, tools and SI techniques. There are many seminars and books
that
> >should be consulted before bringing elementary problems to the SI-List
list
> >membership. A quick search on Google will suffice on this point.
> >
> >The SI-List should not be the place to get free technical
> >consulting. There are many capable consultants whose professional
> >livelihood depends on helping existing and new clients with their
problems
> >in a cost effective and rapid manner. Many excellent suggestions can be
> >found on the Si-List by these folks and it is not a burden to find out
who
> >they are and how they can help you. If your project has not been funded
to
> >support the required work, whether by yourself or a consultant, then the
> >list should not be burdened by requests for free help.
> >
> >
> >
> >>As many of you know, I am one of those senior SI guys. I'm sick and
tired
> >>of getting slammed because of that long experience I bring to the table
> >>and frankly, I hate seeing the recent snide remarks and personalities
> >>quirks expressed on the SI-List. The SI-List has been and should be
> >>strictly for substantive technical questions to be asked and answered.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >ed sayre
> >
> >
> >
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