[SI-LIST] Re: Proper use of the Si-List
- From: "Ammu" <selvamaheshwari@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <si_monkey2@xxxxxxxxx>, <tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 15:04:11 -0500
Hi there all,
A lot have been said and done with this thread! Let's get on to our work!
Many people have shared their views. Some views have gone well with some,
somebody else's with some. Enough! No point in talking about this any
further!
Let this be the last message for this thread!
Thank you all,
Ammu
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sitar Moniker" <si_monkey2@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:27 PM
Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Proper use of the Si-List
> Thank you for taking time to explain human aspect of how askers are
> perceived and answered. I agree that is the reality.
>
> Expertise of all experts can be fit into a bell curve. At the far end of
> the curve, there will be very few experts who are not distracted by login
> names. For them, si_diamond is no different from si_monkey. They
> understand implications of the question and what is on asker's mind. They
> have integrated knowledge and answer to meet asker's viewpoint. They are
> gurus. My quest is to find such guru. On this list or some other place.
>
> I appreciate all who contributed to both threads. I learnt much subject
> and protocols. My apologies if I hurt feelings in the process (incl this
> post) without my knowledge.
>
> Tom Dagostino <tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:I sense a lot of frustration here.
> On Sitar's side because he is not
> getting the answers he wants. On SI List respondents' side because of
> perception.
>
> Regis McKenna once wrote "perception is all there is". The general meaning
> of this is that people will form impressions, right or wrong, about a
> product (Regis' context) by what they can see about that product.
>
> The other saying that seems to apply here is "you only have one chance to
> make a first impression". Whether it is a new product or meeting a person
> for the first time, this applies.
>
> Sitar, you have a screen name that comes across as un-professional.
> Advertising yourself as a monkey does not place your best foot forward,
> your
> first impression is not favorable. People won't take you seriously.
>
> People will try to understand who is asking the question before answering.
> I know that many times before I'll answer a question on this list I'll
> look
> up the company or institution that the questioner is associated with.
> Sometimes it gives me insight into where the answer needs to go. College
> students get one answer, a long time SI expert gets a different answer.
> For
> a number of reasons yahoo accounts have a poor perception, to many of the
> questions lately that could have been answered with a little research have
> come from yahoo addresses.
>
> People tend to do things colored by what they perceive as their best
> interests. Most engineers don't want to educate their or their companies'
> competitors. Not knowing who they are talking to leads many to not want to
> educate a potential competitor.
>
> Which leads to perception is colored by people who also have not placed
> their best foot forward. Call it guilt by association. A lot of the
> questions by these people are really very basic. One question that comes
> to mind recently was from a consulting firm that is making an IBIS model
> for
> someone else (I assume) and has not read the IBIS specification. The
> question in this case was not rocket science, it is knowledge that I
> expect
> a technician working for me to be able to look up and understand.
>
> I can understand the frustration of people who see qualified friends
> without
> jobs while others cannot do the job they were hired to do. Unfortunately
> the electronics industry seems to have gotten into a management mode of
> engineers are interchangeable, you can assign any "engineering job" to
> anybody with an "engineering degree". I think there may have been a time
> that applied but it was not in my lifetime. SI is the realm of analog
> effects but too many people without an appreciation for anything analog
> have
> been assigned to do jobs in this area. That is a fault of our institutions
> of higher education and the MBA mindset. Digital was all that was taught
> for years. Students come out of school who have touched a couple of
> digital
> CAD tools and they think they are ready to tackle all problems. Somewhere
> down the line they get bit by a transmission line or a PDS. The good ones
> get curious and learn about them. Too many find a quick band aide. Don't
> get me started on MBAs.
>
> I have not followed this thread in detail, I used the Delete button
> quickly
> in most cases. I have looked at responses from people I know and respect
> who contribute to this list. I do learn a lot from them.
>
> Many of the responses on this list are telling the questioner to learn to
> fish. Buy the tools you are going to use (I'm amazed I had to say that),
> learn how to use them, learn everything you can about analog effects and
> most importantly, learn to apply what you have learned.
>
> Tom Dagostino
> Teraspeed Consulting Group LLC
> 503-430-1065
> tom@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> www.teraspeed.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:si-list-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris Cheng
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:28 PM
> To: 'si_monkey2@xxxxxxxxx'; MikonCons@xxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Proper use of the Si-List
>
>
> Sitar,
> I'm just a low life engineer getting paid just above minimum wage and a
> few
> t-shirts. I don't have a Ph.D nor do I have three times the client waiting
> for me to help them. But I never use my personal email account in here
> because I am proud of what I do and there is nothing to hide about where I
> come from.
> Perphaps if you care to share who your current employer is and something
> about your background we can have a better understand why you think the
> way
> you react.
> As for the comment about high school physics, I actually learn Maxwell and
> telegrapher equations in high school so there are certain places on earth
> where your discussion falls into high school physics.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sitar Moniker [mailto:si_monkey2@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:59 AM
> To: MikonCons@xxxxxxx; si-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [SI-LIST] Re: Proper use of the Si-List
>
>
> I am new to this list. After these posts, I thought the forum is designed
> to
> serve the interests of successful consultants and I am at a wrong party. I
> was about to unsubscribe. But, subsequent posts tell me otherwise and it
> is
> OK to ask questions that are not "give me a basic education" type. Don't
> ask
> for IP also.
>
> Let us see if the Open Termination questions and follow-up questions I
> asked
> fit into these categories. Obviously, they are not asking for IP because
> nobody indicated as such. I don't think they are "give me a basic
> education"
> type either. How the fields behave at the open ended line interface with
> free space before and after reflection is not high school physics. I know
> this because I have a high school diploma.
>
> What I would like to see is how this field behavior (which is not
> addressed
> so far) can be explained using rubber bands and weights and conservation
> of
> momentum. I would really appreciate if you or others explain this and
> convince me that these questions deserve to be ignored by the SI elite.
>
> MikonCons@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Beautifully said, Ed.
>
> I have not particpated in the SI forum for some time (while biting my
> tongue
>
> to keep my opinions to myself) because of the plethora of "give me a basic
> education" type questions, as well as some comments I have not agreed
> with.
> Although my requests for consulting support has tripled over the last
> couple
> of
> months, I know of eight other competent consultants scratchin the gravel
> beds for work.
>
> Mike
> Michael L. Conn
> Owner/Principal Consultant
> Mikon Consulting
>
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