In a message dated 12/16/05 9:56:53 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, Gsdman2@xxxxxxx writes: In fact we mimic nature by making selections which mold the dog to fit into its place in the world. In the GSD's case, that would be herding sheep for man as flock tenders. Nonsense. We established a standard, as did all the recognized breeds. We determined the place in the world we wanted our dogs to fit into, not nature. If we allowed the dogs to "free breed" in but a few generations they would all look like wolves. The dominant traits, sable, bad hips and elbows, weak backs, high rears, and long legs would take over. Also, only the strong would survive, so the breed would increase in size, and the German shepherd would go back to the original style, looking less like what we breed, and more like a mutt. German shepherds would not even restrict the breeding to German shepherd, but indiscriminately breed with whoever was convenient. We breed an artificial look that we find pleasing, and for a purpose we determined we wanted them to do. In the wild, there was not much use for a dog to herd sheep, the sheep and other animals were for eating. That's another trait we seem to have eliminated, (or at least controlled), the desire to eat the sheep. We decided to make dogs domestic and to have them do unnatural acts for us. Dogs do not naturally herd sheep to move them about. They herd them to eat them. Nature needs no one to mimic it, nature is natural, ergo the name. Evan (http://www.asgardgsd.com/) Asgard German Shepherds http://www.asgardgsd.com/ Where Type Movement and Temperament come together ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================