[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: Who are we kidding?
- From: Gsdman2@xxxxxxx
- To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:32:29 EST
Geesh.. I'm not going to do a point by point response. Suffice it to say
that you started your post by throwing the word "nonsense" at me, but instead
it
describes your post well.
Dogs in the wild? ... True, there are many species of canine in the wild.
However, man lives with the "domesticated" dog. I believe proof has been found
that the relationship between man and (domesticated) dog has existed since the
days of the caveman. Certainly man has manipulated dog genes for thousands of
years. For the domesticated dog, we are the part of nature that makes it
what it is. If a beaver cuts down a tree, isn't that nature in the works? Why
do the same rules not apply for man? If one accepts your theory, then how did
man and dog ever become friends? Wouldn't it have been nature's way for them
to kill and eat each other? In fact, if most any breed were left to survive
in the wild without man's care, it is unlikely they would survive at all for
many generations. The GSD, however, would probably have a better chance than
most other breeds because of its structure and character.
By the way ... bad hips and elbows are not dominant traits. If they were,
canines would have died out thousands of years ago. Weak backs are not
dominant
.... and length of leg and high rear would depend on how the animal evolved
to live without man's direction and care. As far as breeding an "artificial
look that we find pleasing" ... The only parts of the GSD standard that I can
think of which are not specifically there to enhance the working ability of the
breed, are eye and coat color.
Tom Langlitz
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In a message dated 12/17/2005 9:44:55 AM Central Standard Time,
ELG440@xxxxxxx writes:
Nonsense. We established a standard, as did all the recognized breeds. We
determined the place in the world we wanted our dogs to fit into, not
nature.
If we allowed the dogs to "free breed" in but a few generations they would
all look like wolves. The dominant traits, sable, bad hips and elbows, weak
backs, high rears, and long legs would take over. Also, only the strong
would
survive, so the breed would increase in size, and the German shepherd would
go back to the original style, looking less like what we breed, and more
like
a mutt. German shepherds would not even restrict the breeding to German
shepherd, but indiscriminately breed with whoever was convenient.
We breed an artificial look that we find pleasing, and for a purpose we
determined we wanted them to do. In the wild, there was not much use for a
dog
to herd sheep, the sheep and other animals were for eating. That's another
trait we seem to have eliminated, (or at least controlled), the desire to
eat
the sheep. We decided to make dogs domestic and to have them do unnatural
acts for us. Dogs do not naturally herd sheep to move them about. They herd
them to eat them.
Nature needs no one to mimic it, nature is natural, ergo the name.
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