Er, if I may reply in general...he did say the illustrated standard, not the standard. Of course you're going to have to follow the standard, but, he is right about not following the illustrated standard to pick breeding choices. I know I wouldn't. - Jackie In a message dated 8/25/2005 4:10:38 PM Central Daylight Time, PAGAIRS@xxxxxxx writes: Evan, if I may ask, how do you get to the show ring without "breeding" according toi the standard? ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================