In a message dated 8/24/2005 6:47:26 PM Central Daylight Time, ELG440@xxxxxxx writes: The Illustrated Standard is not to help with breeding, but to show what to look for in the show ring when judging. I don't think it was ever meant for the breeders. If you don't understand the genetics of this breed, no written document is going to help you with that. Evan, if I may ask, how do you get to the show ring without "breeding" according toi the standard? Gary Szymczak www.pagairsgsd.com Gary ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================