[ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: A lost opportunity
- From: "Steve Grainger" <hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "Margery Golant" <mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 23:47:04 -0500
Much of what you say has merit..but do you think it is correct for
non-members to be privy to the inner workings of our club? if we formed a
GSDCA List..there could be a performance List and a conformation
List..shouldn't be a big deal...you can belong to either one..or both. the
current List..can be for discussing all things GSD related with the
exception of club business..ie ..elections..selection of National
sites...NIS...we currently have non-members giving input...why???? How is
forming a GSDCA List alienating our foreign support? We have PC members
from other countries..dues can be paid by credit cards..are you saying that
in today's world..a membership fee of 60-70 dollars per year is too much to
support our breed..plus get the Review..and then add belonging to a
possible GSDCA List...that allows you to have input regarding the future of
our breed and its parent club???C.Grainger
> [Original Message]
> From: MARGERY GOLANT <mgolant@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 8/22/2005 11:16:43 PM
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] Re: A lost opportunity
>
> It is a fact that the List has been a significant vehicle in bringing
people
> into the GSDCA, a way that people can make contact with the fancy, see
what
> it is about, learn more, and then wade in deeper. I regularly recognize
> many names of people applying for membership in the GSDCA who are already
> List members - and it is obvious that they came to the GSDCA by virtue of
> their participation on the List. Perhaps some of them will see this post
> and speak up to explain how the List brought them on board the GSDCA, got
> them interested, got them involved, allowed them to get to "know"
> established breeders, handlers, potential mentors, Board members, etc., so
> that they no longer felt like strangers to the conformation scene, and
then
> wanted to participate more fully, by joining the Club.
>
> There are also a significant number of List members who are GSDCC members,
> and a few who are GSD conformation fanciers from Mexico and Australia.
The
> common demoninator of the List has always been the premise that it is
> geared to the US / Canadian conformation fancy. While there are other
> members, whose primary interest is AKC/CKC-style performance, or
WUSV-style
> competition, or otherwise, but who want to learn about and maintain
contact
> with the conformation world, the overwhelming bulk of List members are
GSDCA
> members whose venue of choice is the conformation ring, or who breed,
judge,
> handle or are otherwise connected with conformation. Do we want to cut
out
> people who want to learn about conformation, who are considering becoming
> involved, who want to learn more first ? Do we want to cut out the people
> in Canada, Mexico, Australia who want to participate, or to maintain
contact
> with the American conformation scene ? A GSDCA-only list could not, by
> definition, limit itself to conformation - it would need to be open to all
> GSDCA members, regardless of their areas of emphasis. That would make it
a
> very different sort of place than Showgsd-l is. Please bear in mind that
> when Showgsd-l was first founded, the very reason why it was conceived was
> that the performance people had their own areas to discuss performance
> (there are obedience lists, agility lists, herding lists, tracking lists,
> WUSV lists). There were / are NO other lists who are specifically
dedicated
> to GSDCA/GSDCC/AKC/CKC conformation.
>
> I am all for taking steps to add value to being a member of the GSDCA.
> There are many ways to do that. However, this List has taken on a unique
> function to the GSD fancy. Because it is independent of the GSDCA, it is
> not under the control of the GSDCA Board, or subject to GSDCA politics.
> That provides a level of freedom that would not be present if it were
> maintained only by and for GSDCA members, somewhat like the American
press.
> That independence allows reporters to state their opinions, whether or not
> they are consistent with what the politicians want the public to know. On
> the List, over the years, there has been a great deal of expression of
ideas
> of the established order of things inside the GSDCA, and concerning the
> GSDCA. It has allowed the fancy, through the voices of individual
fanciers,
> to speak up, to make their views and opinions known to one another.
>
> In this age of instant, electronic communication, it is not practical, or
> even possible, to lock out the non-GSDCA members, even if that was
> considered to be desirable. There would inevitably be some members of a
> GSDCA-only list who would take the discussions and topics that originated
> there to the "rest of the fancy". The genie is out of the bottle - this
is
> the electronic age, the communication age. There is no longer any way to
> keep the world out of the business of the GSDCA, and in truth, what is the
> point and why is this desirable ?
>
> While Showgsd-l is not a GSDCA-only list, it serves the GSDCA in many ways
> by being exactly what it is. The List Administration has considered over
> the years limiting the List membership in various ways, but ultimately
> decided that the List made the biggest contribution to the Fancy by being
> inclusive, by opening our doors to all who were interested in knowing what
> the conformation scene was about. We still feel that that makes the most
> sense, and that the GSDCA and GSDCC ultimately benefit from that approach.
> There are many things that can and should be benefits of GSDCA membership
> and limited to "members only", but excluding potential new blood from the
> List, or creating yet another, GSDCA-only list, will not accomplish that.
> It will, instead, close off what has become a very valuable "on-ramp" and
> way for new people to connect with the established GSD conformation world.
>
>
> Margery Golant
> Showgsd-l Administrator
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of ELG440@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 11:17 PM
> To: showgsd-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [ SHOWGSD-L ] A lost opportunity
>
>
> Does anyone think perhaps by talking about what a good job our board
does,
> and what the club does for the members, we might get some new members?
>
> This List can be of a great way to get our message out to non Parent Club
> members. I do wonder if someone is dedicated enough to share their
> thoughts
> with us and read this List, why they would not be members of the GSDCA?
>
> Evan
> _Asgard German Shepherds_ (http://www.asgardgsd.com/)
> http://www.asgardgsd.com/
> Where Type Movement and Temperament come together
>
>
>
>
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