If you mean me (I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure you do), you're right, I have no desire. Especially after the way I've been talked to about it! I feel like I'm being bullied into joining when really, there is no true benefit for me (yet). And when I say benefit, I don't mean little bells and whistles. I mean things that I wouldn't use now. I can see the GSD standard at the AKC website, I can do online google searches for breeders, I don't see the need to purchase the Review for myself yet. I DO train at my local all breed club, I AM joining the local GSD club, I DO get out in the world and tell people who are interested about the breed and the sports/work they do, I AM a member of the breed. Just not the (parent) breed club, and I honestly don't understand why that is so hard to accept, just as I'm sure you still don't understand why I haven't joined. - Jackie In a message dated 8/23/2005 9:25:12 AM Central Daylight Time, hckryhillgsd@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: ..we are addressing a person here who has no desire..and has never had desire to EVER join..C.Grainger ============================================================================ POST is Copyrighted 2005. All material remains the property of the original author and of GSD Communication, Inc. NO REPRODUCTIONS or FORWARDS of any kind are permitted without prior permission of the original author AND of the Showgsd-l Management. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. ALL PERSONS ARE ON NOTICE THAT THE FORWARDING, REPRODUCTION OR USE IN ANY MANNER OF ANY MATERIAL WHICH APPEARS ON SHOWGSD-L WITHOUT THE EXPRESS PERMISSION OF ALL PARTIES TO THE POST AND THE LIST MANAGEMENT IS EXPRESSLY FORBIDDEN, AND IS A VIOLATION OF LAW. VIOLATORS OF THIS PROHIBITION WILL BE PROSECUTED. For assistance, please contact the List Management at admin@xxxxxxxxxxxx VISIT OUR WEBSITE - http://www.showgsd.org ============================================================================