I don't think that the developers will be in the area we are observing from for a year or two, but I do think it is time to consider some alternatives. We can discuss this at the club meeting in January. I think we need to start looking around for another spot. Steve Coe -----Original Message----- From: sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:sac-forum-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dan Gruber Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 2:02 PM To: sac-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [sac-forum] Flatiron and vicinity The CSC lied yesterday and said viewing at Flatiron would be okay until midnight. I was there from 4.15 - 4.45 pm and it was completely overcast. I left when nobody showed up to commiserate with. More interesting were the signs posted all over the place indicating that a developer wants to amend the local general plan to develop up to 85,000 homes (plus other stuff) on about 25,000 acres running roughly from 335th Ave. to 370th Ave. and from I - 10 north to the canal. This would bring development to about 5 miles south of the site. Combined with relentless development west of the White Tanks (see today's AZ Republic), this doesn't bode well. I wonder how many more years we have for reasonably dark skies at Flatiron? Happy holidays, Dan PS. If anybody has the week off from work and would like to try observing later in the week, please let me know. Dan Gruber <mailto:dgruber@xxxxxxxxxxxx> dgruber@xxxxxxxxxxxx home (480) 951 - 6877