[pure-silver] Re: Skin & Film, was Film Having A "Resurgence"
- From: "Eric Neilsen Photo" <ej@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:42:27 -0500
Bob, I would recommend that you look at Portraiture by Imagenomic to retouch
the skin shoots. If the file needs to be printed as a silver print, then
make a dig neg. I can give you a quick run through on a Skype screen share
or GoToMeeting. I think you'll be impressed. I can even get you a discount.
I will let those that don't know, I do a bit of consulting work with
Imagenomic so as not to catch grief from someone about selling stuff. I do
use the products and did before I worked with them. And I've known Bob even
longer than that.
Eric Neilsen
Eric Neilsen Photography
4101 Commerce Street, Suite 9
Dallas, TX 75226
www.ericneilsenphotography.com
skype me with ejprinter
www.ericneilsenphotography.com/forum1
Let's Talk Photography
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From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of BOB KISS
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:41 PM
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Skin & Film, was Film Having A "Resurgence"
DEAR ERIC,
When I want smooth skin I don't use either PMK or Pyrocat HD
because the HD created by the edge effects in either of those developers
will exaggerate any skin defects. A dev that doesn't boost edge effects,
hence definition, might be better.
Though I shoot all my personal and fine art work on film, I
simply cannot compete for commercial jobs shooting film. Clients just won't
pay for the film & processing any more and expect the rapid completion of
work possible with digital. That said, I often have to clean up skin when
doing any kind of close-up or portrait. It takes significant work selecting
the skin areas, deselecting the eyebrows, eyes & lashes, lips & mouth, etc
on a separate layer. Then I soften the layer containing only the skin and
blend it proportionally with the background layer to smooth the skin texture
without loosing the sense of sharpness given by those deselected areas.
Before anyone jumps on me about discussing digital image
processing, I do the same thing with images originated on film which I scan.
Clients want digital files regardless of how the image is captured. So,
though not "pure silver", definitely hybrid.
CHEERS!
BOB
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From: pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:pure-silver-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Eric Nelson
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 3:45 PM
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Skin & Film, was Film Having A "Resurgence"
That's what I meant. In digital it was hard to control highlights and
w/film I could have probably had less trouble as well as a greater range.
Exposure couldn't have helped that skin enough on that day using film.
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From: Snoopy <snoopy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 1:36:41 PM
Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Skin & Film, was Film Having A "Resurgence"
Dear List,
this post by Eric really surprised me: I find film a LOT better with
blotchy skin etc. than digital.
I use film and overexpose by at least one stop, sometimes even more. The
overesposure gets rid of most irregularites.
And if you are careful enough with the development, your highlights
don't nurn out.
In our workshops the digital crowd just loses out:the highlights get
frayed and the models skin looks like a lunar landscape. UGH.
And bear in mind: what's burnt out is burnt out and no amount of digital
processing will get it back. then the only resort is to do Photoshiop
skin grafts...:-)
Love,
Snoopy
On 10/01/2010 08:19 PM, Elias_Roustom wrote:
> Just curious - what are "skin issues"?
> And why would film make it more of a problem than digital?
>
> Elias
>
> On Oct 1, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>
>> I've no experience w/these, but wet mounting does help w/scratches. I
wouldn't use them for anything smaller than 4x5 although others do and are
happy. Maybe they say GEFTA a lot.
>> There's a plethora of info out there with comparisons, images and so on.
You can even sign up here.
>>
>> I had a model come by to be shot recently and I had every intention of
using film, pyrocat hd etc. but she had some skin issues and right there I
knew film would be just an extra step in making the images. I'd have to
scan, fix issues then, if I was really serious about the image, output it
back to film to print in the darkroom. Wasn't worth it.
>> BUT, the location had very strong, dramatic light happening and made for
a difficult time for digital and I still had to do a lotta work, just in
front of a monitor. So if the model had not had the skin issues, I would
have perhaps had an easier time working with the resulting film I didn't
shoot.
>>
>> From: "mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mark@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 12:14:43 PM
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Film Having A "Resurgence"
>>
>> Curious to see others reaction. Epson now as a scanner out that has a
"wet mount" and wondered just what everyone thought about that system. I am
more interested in how it would work with black and white since the digital
ice features do not work with monochrome.
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Film Having A "Resurgence"
>> From: Robert Randall <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Fri, October 01, 2010 8:20 am
>> To: <pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> I have two Isomet 405 drum scanners, they are quite possibly the finest
drum scanners ever made. Having worked with Hell, Heidelberg, Screen and a
few others over a 35 year career, I feel I know what I'm talking about.
>>
>> A few years ago, Jeff Schewe told me the Imacon 848 was as good as any
drum scanner he ever encountered, so naturally I was curious to see the
machine in action. He invited the Imacon regional sales rep along with their
main engineer into my studio for a demonstration, the results were just
abysmal. It turned out that the Imacon was nothing more than a retro fit
Leaf 45 tower scanner from 1993 or so, and it couldn't find shadow detail
with a map. Their pronouncement was that the Imacon would best the Isomet,
and in 6 hours of embarrassing tests, their engineer couldn't come remotely
close to the detail and range of an Isomet scan.
>>
>> The reason for my rant is to point out the current sad state of affairs
for film reproduction. No one is supporting drum scanners any longer, and
soon there won't be any left to make quality scans with. Leaving everyone to
believe that an Imacon is the best there ever was, when in fact it isn't
much more than a glorified paper weight.
>>
>> Lastly, the Isomet is a piece of cake to operate, I could have anyone of
you making quality scans in one 20 minute session.
>>
>> Bob Randall
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/1/10 12:55 AM, "Jim Brick" <jim@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> Imacon is still available from Hasselblad and there are plenty of Imacon
scanners available on eBay. Many of the commercial labs moved from the very
expensive and difficult to operate drum scanner to the Imacon (virtual drum
scanner). It is a great scanner.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Sep 30, 2010, at 9:45 PM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>>
>> Yes the pro-sumer variety like the 9000.
>> I assume by big iron you mean drums. Drums are within the reach of us
mere mortals since their value has dropped which works for me!
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Dana Myers <dana.myers@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: pure-silver@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thu, September 30, 2010 1:37:55 PM
>> Subject: [pure-silver] Re: Film Having A "Resurgence"
>>
>> On 9/30/2010 9:47 AM, Eric Nelson wrote:
>> Now if they can bring back the high end film scanners they've been
eliminating...
>>
>> Are you referring to prosumer scanners like the Nikon LS9000,
>> or to commercial-grade big iron scanners?
>>
>> It's not like the industry is going back to wet-process for prints.
>> I am, however, quite happy that I invested in an LS9000 when I
>> did.
>>
>> Dana
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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