Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new voice?

So let talk about the case:
I bought Jaws.
Jaws came with elocuence.
I Make a software that interfaces with eci and speaks trough that interface.
My program has no eci or elocuence in it.
It simply uses what is on the computer.
If the user has let say jaws, ok it has elocuence so my software speaks.
If the user has not jaws, there is no ECI and that is, my software can not speak using eci. So the one who sells Jaws with elocuence is not afected, because, to use my software with elocuence, the user must have or buy elocuence separately so pay that money.
Where is the problem here?
I don't see where the elocuence team loose!
So back to your example, if using your software needs that game to be installed so to be boght from me, there is no reason to be un happy. The model you describe here is that, if I buy jaws with elocuence I pay 5 dolar for elocuence But if I wana use elocuence in my application I must pay Elocuence another 5 dolar, so I pay twice for same code. I know that they don't sell code, but rights to use the code and that is what I don't like.



----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new voice?


The reason its illegal, is because the programmer of the software. Put code in that software to allow its use with another piece of software., and they paid for that right. now just because that software comes with another chunk of software. Does not give you the right to use it, because you didn't pay for it. To keep that software billable. The program uses special code that lets what ever software that wants to use it the right, but has to be paid. Its all about money and that chunk of software is not free. if you wrote a score keeper for a friends game say football. Now it works great and he gave you $10. Now both are happy and you have the thought that you can get $10 for that code. now lets say me and a few other programmers take that code. use it in our own games and sell those games. now wouldn't you feel like you get your $10 too? When we give you nothing and act like the code was free, because it came with another game?

At 08:57 AM 11/20/2010, you wrote:
I don't understand why, If I have a legal copy of eci, together with jaws,
I am not allowed to use it from another screen reader If I have the possibility. So I write the program, I don't embed any kind of synth in it, but I search on the target machine what synths are there and I try to use one of them
I don't understand why this is ilegal...

----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Moisei" <vortex37@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new voice?


   Here's what the NVDA devs have to say about the subject:
http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDAAndEloquenceSituation
So, using eci api from another program if you don't distribute a licensed
version of eloquence with it is illegal, it seems. It doesn't matter that
the specs are freely available on the web.
Btw, that NVDA driver for eloquence really exists, but it is illegal, so it
is not supported by the developers.
----- Original Message ----- From: "QuentinC" <quentinc@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:31 AM
Subject: Re: NVDA new voice?


I've also heard whispers of an eloquence thing floating around for it,
but I'm not sure if that's legal or if someone can give it to you.

I read somewhere that using eloquence outside of jaws or talks was
actually illegal. I don't know if it is really true. That point should
really be clarified, perhaps in a separate thread, but the topic is
interesting.

Additionnal question: if eloquence is already installed on a system, it's
quite easy to open the DLL and start to use the functions. Documentation
on this DLL is even available on the web. Is that illegal ?

I really wish that eloquence  would be easily available in NVDA,
definitely legally. Because espeak is... how to say... terrific.

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