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Just email me. soltani@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 3:28 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new voice? ah no, I went to the audio games site, and found the link there and got a 404 error on it as well. anyone else have the files, if so I can handle them if someone will work with me to get them to me! elf Moderator, Blind Access Help Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises Specialists in customized computers and peripherals - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! www.alacorncomputer.com proprietor, The Grab Bag, for blind computer users and programmers http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Client Services" <operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 7:44 PM Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new voice? > Feel free to email me at: Soltani@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Must be the list. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 10:41 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new > voice? > > the line breaks after the n in eloquen > then there are two spaces, a period, another space, then 20nvda.exe > > it looks like this: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3349789/eloquen > . 20nvda.exe > > I'll try the other address in your e-mail. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Client Services" <operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:02 PM > Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new > voice? > > >> The link should be: >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3349789/eloquen . 20nvda.exe >> >> The website I got it from is: >> http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?id=3151&p=3 >> >> H.R. Soltani >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Howard >> Traxler >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:56 PM >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >> voice? >> >> Thanks, but: the link you provide in your e-mail doesn't take me >> anywhere. >> I tried pasting the two lines together and taking out the spaces near the >> end and I tried finishing the word "eloquen" but can't seem to guess >> correctly. Any suggestions? Thanks again. >> Howard >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Client Services" <operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 8:46 PM >> Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >> voice? >> >> >>> These are the instructions I read from AudioGames.net. >>> >>> 1. Download: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3349789/eloquen . 20nvda.exe >>> 2. Extract the files. >>> 3. Put the files in the program files/nvda/synthDrivers folder it may be >>> under program files-x86 >>> 4. Also put the files in the /users/xxx/appdata/roming/nvda/synthDrivers >>> 5. Start NVDA and you should have it as your first synthesizer choice >>> above >>> Espeak. If you don't, you may have to delete the NVDA ini file under >>> appdata/roming/NVDA >>> 6. If you do not see the directory under your user folder, you may need >>> to >>> show hidden files/folders. >>> >>> >>> H.R. Soltani >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Howard >>> Traxler >>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:28 PM >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >>> voice? >>> >>> So here we are: I have jaws and nvda on my netbook. When I look aat >>> the >>> list of synths in nvda, I don't see eloquence in there. How do I tell >>> nvda >>> that it's on the machine? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Howard >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Client Services" <operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:18 PM >>> Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >>> voice? >>> >>> >>>> The difference is, if you never purchased jaws, there was no license >>>> purchased. And elequoence does not bundle with NVDA. >>>> So, if you bought something already that has elequoence... you should >>>> be >>>> fine. >>>> >>>> H.R. Soltani >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, >>>> James >>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:07 PM >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >>>> voice? >>>> >>>> Hi Elf, >>>> You might want to see this page. >>>> >>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/FreeSpeechSynthesizerList >>>> >>>> Jim Homme, >>>> Usability Services, >>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme >>>> Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility >>>> here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf >>>> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:52 PM >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >>>> voice? >>>> >>>> that's what I thought, thank you >>>> >>>> elf >>>> Moderator, Blind Access Help >>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises >>>> Specialists in customized computers and peripherals >>>> - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! >>>> www.alacorncomputer.com >>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag, >>>> for blind computer users and programmers >>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:20 PM >>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >>>> voice? >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> What you are proposing is not illegal. I am a lawyer, so if a lawyer >>>>> on >>>>> the list would care to discuss in what way this is illegal, please >>>>> present >>>>> your legal analysis. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Dennis >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:00 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA >>>>> new >>>>> voice? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I didn't even copied the file:) >>>>>> At installation time, my software detects if jaws is installed. >>>>>> If it is, I simply link to that path. >>>>>> But if you say that it is ilegal, I will delete that portion of code. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Client Services" <operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:53 PM >>>>>> Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA >>>>>> new >>>>>> voice? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>I did not realize there were issues with using elequoence on my >>>>>>>computer >>>>>>> with other screen readers! Especially since I paid so much for the >>>>>>> synthesizer and the screen reader. Never saw any licensing text for >>>>>>> eloquence. I disagree that it is illegal to use elequoence software >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> computer which is also running jaws or some other software that it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> bundled with. Now I am not a lawyer, but software is generally >>>>>>> controled by >>>>>>> the number of computers not the software you can use with it... is >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> correct? Does anybody have the licensing text for elequoence? >>>>>>> googled eloquence and NVDA and found this link: >>>>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3349789/eloquen . 20nvda.exe >>>>>>> And there was some very clear instructions telling me to copy the >>>>>>> files >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> some folder called synthdrive or something like that on both my >>>>>>> programs >>>>>>> files/nvda folder and the one under appdata/roming/nvda >>>>>>> So then I erased the nVDA.ini file and when i loaded NVDA, I found a >>>>>>> choice >>>>>>> of ECI above my other choices under synthesizer. >>>>>>> This post and topic is on audiogames.net. And has not been removed. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> to assume it is at least a gray area. >>>>>>> NVDA is quite an amazing program and I would figure there should be >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> better voices than the one it comes with. I am most certainly >>>>>>> donating >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the NVDA project as I really needed a good portable screen reader >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> backup >>>>>>> for Jaws that did not cost me an arm and a leg. In fact, just a few >>>>>>> minutes >>>>>>> a go, I had loaded a program, where NVDA could detect the check >>>>>>> boxes >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> options and Jaws could not. I unloaded jaws and loaded NVDA. >>>>>>> NVDA is just fantastic and I truly love the idea of an open source >>>>>>> screen >>>>>>> reader. >>>>>>> I am certain that the next time Jaws offers a paid upgrade or trys >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> some money out of me, I will switch to NVDA permanently. >>>>>>> I normally never do this. In fact, I have never done this online. >>>>>>> But >>>>>>> open >>>>>>> source software for the blind is very critical. We need to get >>>>>>> costs >>>>>>> lowered and help more people get the tools to survive and prosper! >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> each >>>>>>> of us would even just contribute $5 to $50, we could really help >>>>>>> people >>>>>>> who >>>>>>> are trying to make a difference. >>>>>>> Please help NVDA in any way you can. >>>>>>> There website is: http://www.nvda-project.org/ >>>>>>> I will contribute $20 myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> H.R. Soltani >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA >>>>>>> new >>>>>>> voice? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't really agree with them doing whatever they want since they >>>>>>> sold >>>>>>> it. Look at jaws; many can't afford the prices, and there would be a >>>>>>> lot >>>>>>> less cracks and a lot more people paying if they had a better >>>>>>> business >>>>>>> moddle that didn't include scruing their customers out of lots of >>>>>>> money. >>>>>>> I would not mind at all paying $5,$20 etc for eloquence and the >>>>>>> right >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> use it with NVDA, but the whole "you just can't use it," is >>>>>>> pathetic. >>>>>>> On 11/21/2010 10:22 AM, Stefan Moisei wrote: >>>>>>>> Basically, he doesn't like the fact that eloquence is sold with the >>>>>>>> right to be used only by the application it is bundled with. He >>>>>>>> things >>>>>>>> nuance doesnt loose anything if other applications are allowed to >>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>> eloquence as well. >>>>>>>> I personally don't agree and think any company is allowed to sell >>>>>>>> its >>>>>>>> software with any license they want. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> AS for legal eloquence with nvda, the only option I know about is >>>>>>>> penvda, a u3 usb stick with nvda on it, wihch costs around 100 >>>>>>>> euros, >>>>>>>> way above $100. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >>>>>>>> <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:55 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA >>>>>>>> new voice? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have no idea what black ares said in his messsage. From what I >>>>>>>>> gather, something about 5 dollars... Is there a paid version of >>>>>>>>> eloquence? I know there's voxen for *nix is $5. I'd be willing to >>>>>>>>> pay >>>>>>>>> the same to be able to use it with NVDA on windows. >>>>>>>>> On 11/20/2010 9:43 AM, Stefan Moisei wrote: >>>>>>>>>> It's quite simple, in my view. >>>>>>>>>> Eci's license says that eci can be used only with the application >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>> is distributed with. Period. >>>>>>>>>> When those guys from NVDA did what you said, i.e. they made an >>>>>>>>>> nvda >>>>>>>>>> eci driver without embedding eci itself, they were contacted by >>>>>>>>>> IBM, >>>>>>>>>> makers of home page reader, an app which had eloquence in it. IBM >>>>>>>>>> requested NVAccess to remove the driver, and so they did. >>>>>>>>>> If IBM was right or not, I can't say. I personally believe that >>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>> were, I think IBM read carefully the license before contacting >>>>>>>>>> NVAccess. >>>>>>>>>> The license may be different for jaws, but I don't think that >>>>>>>>>> either. It seems eloquence is sold to a developer and only that >>>>>>>>>> developer has the right to use the synth. >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" >>>>>>>>>> <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:18 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: >>>>>>>>>> NVDA >>>>>>>>>> new voice? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So let talk about the case: >>>>>>>>>>> I bought Jaws. >>>>>>>>>>> Jaws came with elocuence. >>>>>>>>>>> I Make a software that interfaces with eci and speaks trough >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> interface. >>>>>>>>>>> My program has no eci or elocuence in it. >>>>>>>>>>> It simply uses what is on the computer. >>>>>>>>>>> If the user has let say jaws, ok it has elocuence so my software >>>>>>>>>>> speaks. >>>>>>>>>>> If the user has not jaws, there is no ECI and that is, my >>>>>>>>>>> software >>>>>>>>>>> can not speak using eci. >>>>>>>>>>> So the one who sells Jaws with elocuence is not afected, >>>>>>>>>>> because, >>>>>>>>>>> to use my software with elocuence, the user must have or buy >>>>>>>>>>> elocuence separately so pay that money. >>>>>>>>>>> Where is the problem here? >>>>>>>>>>> I don't see where the elocuence team loose! >>>>>>>>>>> So back to your example, if using your software needs that game >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>> be installed so to be boght from me, there is no reason to be un >>>>>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>>>>> The model you describe here is that, if I buy jaws with >>>>>>>>>>> elocuence >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> pay 5 dolar for elocuence >>>>>>>>>>> But if I wana use elocuence in my application I must pay >>>>>>>>>>> Elocuence >>>>>>>>>>> another 5 dolar, so I pay twice for same code. >>>>>>>>>>> I know that they don't sell code, but rights to use the code and >>>>>>>>>>> that is what I don't like. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" >>>>>>>>>>> <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:46 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: >>>>>>>>>>> NVDA >>>>>>>>>>> new voice? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The reason its illegal, is because the programmer of the >>>>>>>>>>>> software. >>>>>>>>>>>> Put code in that software to allow its use with another piece >>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>> software., and they paid for that right. now just because that >>>>>>>>>>>> software comes with another chunk of software. Does not give >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> the right to use it, because you didn't pay for it. To keep >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>> software billable. The program uses special code that lets what >>>>>>>>>>>> ever software that wants to use it the right, but has to be >>>>>>>>>>>> paid. >>>>>>>>>>>> Its all about money and that chunk of software is not free. >>>>>>>>>>>> if you wrote a score keeper for a friends game say football. >>>>>>>>>>>> Now >>>>>>>>>>>> it works great and he gave you $10. Now both are happy and you >>>>>>>>>>>> have the thought that you can get $10 for that code. now lets >>>>>>>>>>>> say >>>>>>>>>>>> me and a few other programmers take that code. use it in our >>>>>>>>>>>> own >>>>>>>>>>>> games and sell those games. now wouldn't you feel like you get >>>>>>>>>>>> your $10 too? When we give you nothing and act like the code >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> free, because it came with another game? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> At 08:57 AM 11/20/2010, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why, If I have a legal copy of eci, >>>>>>>>>>>>> together >>>>>>>>>>>>> with jaws, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not allowed to use it from another screen reader If I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> the possibility. >>>>>>>>>>>>> So I write the program, I don't embed any kind of synth in it, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but I search on the target machine what synths are there and I >>>>>>>>>>>>> try to use one of them >>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why this is ilegal... >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Moisei" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <vortex37@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:17 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: >>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA new voice? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's what the NVDA devs have to say about the subject: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDAAndEloquenceSituation >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, using eci api from another program if you don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> distribute >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> version of eloquence with it is illegal, it seems. It doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>>>> matter that >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the specs are freely available on the web. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Btw, that NVDA driver for eloquence really exists, but it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal, so it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not supported by the developers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "QuentinC" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <quentinc@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:31 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: NVDA new voice? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also heard whispers of an eloquence thing floating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure if that's legal or if someone can give it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I read somewhere that using eloquence outside of jaws or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually illegal. I don't know if it is really true. That >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really be clarified, perhaps in a separate thread, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additionnal question: if eloquence is already installed on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite easy to open the DLL and start to use the functions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Documentation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on this DLL is even available on the web. Is that illegal ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I really wish that eloquence would be easily available in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely legally. 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