These are the instructions I read from AudioGames.net. 1. Download: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3349789/eloquen . 20nvda.exe 2. Extract the files. 3. Put the files in the program files/nvda/synthDrivers folder it may be under program files-x86 4. Also put the files in the /users/xxx/appdata/roming/nvda/synthDrivers 5. Start NVDA and you should have it as your first synthesizer choice above Espeak. If you don't, you may have to delete the NVDA ini file under appdata/roming/NVDA 6. If you do not see the directory under your user folder, you may need to show hidden files/folders. H.R. Soltani -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Howard Traxler Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:28 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new voice? So here we are: I have jaws and nvda on my netbook. When I look aat the list of synths in nvda, I don't see eloquence in there. How do I tell nvda that it's on the machine? Thanks. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Client Services" <operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:18 PM Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new voice? > The difference is, if you never purchased jaws, there was no license > purchased. And elequoence does not bundle with NVDA. > So, if you bought something already that has elequoence... you should be > fine. > > H.R. Soltani > > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Homme, James > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 2:07 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new > voice? > > Hi Elf, > You might want to see this page. > > http://www.nvda-project.org/wiki/FreeSpeechSynthesizerList > > Jim Homme, > Usability Services, > Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme > Internal recipients, Read my accessibility blog. Discuss accessibility > here. Accessibility Wiki: Breaking news and accessibility advice > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of The Elf > Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 1:52 PM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new > voice? > > that's what I thought, thank you > > elf > Moderator, Blind Access Help > Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises > Specialists in customized computers and peripherals > - own the might and majesty of a Alacorn! > www.alacorncomputer.com > proprietor, The Grab Bag, > for blind computer users and programmers > http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Clark" <dennisgclark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:20 PM > Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new > voice? > > >> Hello, >> What you are proposing is not illegal. I am a lawyer, so if a lawyer on >> the list would care to discuss in what way this is illegal, please >> present >> your legal analysis. >> Best, >> Dennis >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "black ares" <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:00 PM >> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >> voice? >> >> >>>I didn't even copied the file:) >>> At installation time, my software detects if jaws is installed. >>> If it is, I simply link to that path. >>> But if you say that it is ilegal, I will delete that portion of code. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Client Services" <operations@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>> Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 8:53 PM >>> Subject: RE: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >>> voice? >>> >>> >>>>I did not realize there were issues with using elequoence on my >>>>computer >>>> with other screen readers! Especially since I paid so much for the >>>> synthesizer and the screen reader. Never saw any licensing text for >>>> eloquence. I disagree that it is illegal to use elequoence software on >>>> a >>>> computer which is also running jaws or some other software that it is >>>> bundled with. Now I am not a lawyer, but software is generally >>>> controled by >>>> the number of computers not the software you can use with it... is this >>>> not >>>> correct? Does anybody have the licensing text for elequoence? >>>> googled eloquence and NVDA and found this link: >>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3349789/eloquen . 20nvda.exe >>>> And there was some very clear instructions telling me to copy the files >>>> in >>>> some folder called synthdrive or something like that on both my >>>> programs >>>> files/nvda folder and the one under appdata/roming/nvda >>>> So then I erased the nVDA.ini file and when i loaded NVDA, I found a >>>> choice >>>> of ECI above my other choices under synthesizer. >>>> This post and topic is on audiogames.net. And has not been removed. I >>>> have >>>> to assume it is at least a gray area. >>>> NVDA is quite an amazing program and I would figure there should be >>>> some >>>> better voices than the one it comes with. I am most certainly donating >>>> to >>>> the NVDA project as I really needed a good portable screen reader and >>>> backup >>>> for Jaws that did not cost me an arm and a leg. In fact, just a few >>>> minutes >>>> a go, I had loaded a program, where NVDA could detect the check boxes >>>> for >>>> options and Jaws could not. I unloaded jaws and loaded NVDA. >>>> NVDA is just fantastic and I truly love the idea of an open source >>>> screen >>>> reader. >>>> I am certain that the next time Jaws offers a paid upgrade or trys to >>>> get >>>> some money out of me, I will switch to NVDA permanently. >>>> I normally never do this. In fact, I have never done this online. But >>>> open >>>> source software for the blind is very critical. We need to get costs >>>> lowered and help more people get the tools to survive and prosper! If >>>> each >>>> of us would even just contribute $5 to $50, we could really help people >>>> who >>>> are trying to make a difference. >>>> Please help NVDA in any way you can. >>>> There website is: http://www.nvda-project.org/ >>>> I will contribute $20 myself. >>>> >>>> >>>> H.R. Soltani >>>> >>>> >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA new >>>> voice? >>>> >>>> I can't really agree with them doing whatever they want since they sold >>>> it. Look at jaws; many can't afford the prices, and there would be a >>>> lot >>>> less cracks and a lot more people paying if they had a better business >>>> moddle that didn't include scruing their customers out of lots of >>>> money. >>>> I would not mind at all paying $5,$20 etc for eloquence and the right >>>> to >>>> use it with NVDA, but the whole "you just can't use it," is pathetic. >>>> On 11/21/2010 10:22 AM, Stefan Moisei wrote: >>>>> Basically, he doesn't like the fact that eloquence is sold with the >>>>> right to be used only by the application it is bundled with. He things >>>>> nuance doesnt loose anything if other applications are allowed to use >>>>> eloquence as well. >>>>> I personally don't agree and think any company is allowed to sell its >>>>> software with any license they want. >>>>> >>>>> AS for legal eloquence with nvda, the only option I know about is >>>>> penvda, a u3 usb stick with nvda on it, wihch costs around 100 euros, >>>>> way above $100. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Littlefield, Tyler" >>>>> <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:55 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA >>>>> new voice? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I have no idea what black ares said in his messsage. From what I >>>>>> gather, something about 5 dollars... Is there a paid version of >>>>>> eloquence? I know there's voxen for *nix is $5. I'd be willing to pay >>>>>> the same to be able to use it with NVDA on windows. >>>>>> On 11/20/2010 9:43 AM, Stefan Moisei wrote: >>>>>>> It's quite simple, in my view. >>>>>>> Eci's license says that eci can be used only with the application it >>>>>>> is distributed with. Period. >>>>>>> When those guys from NVDA did what you said, i.e. they made an nvda >>>>>>> eci driver without embedding eci itself, they were contacted by IBM, >>>>>>> makers of home page reader, an app which had eloquence in it. IBM >>>>>>> requested NVAccess to remove the driver, and so they did. >>>>>>> If IBM was right or not, I can't say. I personally believe that they >>>>>>> were, I think IBM read carefully the license before contacting >>>>>>> NVAccess. >>>>>>> The license may be different for jaws, but I don't think that >>>>>>> either. It seems eloquence is sold to a developer and only that >>>>>>> developer has the right to use the synth. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "black ares" >>>>>>> <matematicianu2003@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 6:18 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA >>>>>>> new voice? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So let talk about the case: >>>>>>>> I bought Jaws. >>>>>>>> Jaws came with elocuence. >>>>>>>> I Make a software that interfaces with eci and speaks trough that >>>>>>>> interface. >>>>>>>> My program has no eci or elocuence in it. >>>>>>>> It simply uses what is on the computer. >>>>>>>> If the user has let say jaws, ok it has elocuence so my software >>>>>>>> speaks. >>>>>>>> If the user has not jaws, there is no ECI and that is, my software >>>>>>>> can not speak using eci. >>>>>>>> So the one who sells Jaws with elocuence is not afected, because, >>>>>>>> to use my software with elocuence, the user must have or buy >>>>>>>> elocuence separately so pay that money. >>>>>>>> Where is the problem here? >>>>>>>> I don't see where the elocuence team loose! >>>>>>>> So back to your example, if using your software needs that game to >>>>>>>> be installed so to be boght from me, there is no reason to be un >>>>>>>> happy. >>>>>>>> The model you describe here is that, if I buy jaws with elocuence I >>>>>>>> pay 5 dolar for elocuence >>>>>>>> But if I wana use elocuence in my application I must pay Elocuence >>>>>>>> another 5 dolar, so I pay twice for same code. >>>>>>>> I know that they don't sell code, but rights to use the code and >>>>>>>> that is what I don't like. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trouble" >>>>>>>> <trouble1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 4:46 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: NVDA >>>>>>>> new voice? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The reason its illegal, is because the programmer of the software. >>>>>>>>> Put code in that software to allow its use with another piece of >>>>>>>>> software., and they paid for that right. now just because that >>>>>>>>> software comes with another chunk of software. Does not give you >>>>>>>>> the right to use it, because you didn't pay for it. To keep that >>>>>>>>> software billable. The program uses special code that lets what >>>>>>>>> ever software that wants to use it the right, but has to be paid. >>>>>>>>> Its all about money and that chunk of software is not free. >>>>>>>>> if you wrote a score keeper for a friends game say football. Now >>>>>>>>> it works great and he gave you $10. Now both are happy and you >>>>>>>>> have the thought that you can get $10 for that code. now lets say >>>>>>>>> me and a few other programmers take that code. use it in our own >>>>>>>>> games and sell those games. now wouldn't you feel like you get >>>>>>>>> your $10 too? When we give you nothing and act like the code was >>>>>>>>> free, because it came with another game? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At 08:57 AM 11/20/2010, you wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why, If I have a legal copy of eci, together >>>>>>>>>> with jaws, >>>>>>>>>> I am not allowed to use it from another screen reader If I have >>>>>>>>>> the possibility. >>>>>>>>>> So I write the program, I don't embed any kind of synth in it, >>>>>>>>>> but I search on the target machine what synths are there and I >>>>>>>>>> try to use one of them >>>>>>>>>> I don't understand why this is ilegal... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Moisei" >>>>>>>>>> <vortex37@xxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 3:17 PM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: eloquence outside programs it is embedded in was: >>>>>>>>>> NVDA new voice? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Here's what the NVDA devs have to say about the subject: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nvda-project.org/blog/NVDAAndEloquenceSituation >>>>>>>>>>> So, using eci api from another program if you don't distribute a >>>>>>>>>>> licensed >>>>>>>>>>> version of eloquence with it is illegal, it seems. It doesn't >>>>>>>>>>> matter that >>>>>>>>>>> the specs are freely available on the web. >>>>>>>>>>> Btw, that NVDA driver for eloquence really exists, but it is >>>>>>>>>>> illegal, so it >>>>>>>>>>> is not supported by the developers. >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "QuentinC" >>>>>>>>>>> <quentinc@xxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 1:31 AM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: NVDA new voice? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also heard whispers of an eloquence thing floating around >>>>>>>>>>>>> for it, >>>>>>>>>>>> but I'm not sure if that's legal or if someone can give it to >>>>>>>>>>>> you. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I read somewhere that using eloquence outside of jaws or talks >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>> actually illegal. I don't know if it is really true. That point >>>>>>>>>>>> should >>>>>>>>>>>> really be clarified, perhaps in a separate thread, but the >>>>>>>>>>>> topic is >>>>>>>>>>>> interesting. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Additionnal question: if eloquence is already installed on a >>>>>>>>>>>> system, it's >>>>>>>>>>>> quite easy to open the DLL and start to use the functions. >>>>>>>>>>>> Documentation >>>>>>>>>>>> on this DLL is even available on the web. Is that illegal ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I really wish that eloquence would be easily available in >>>>>>>>>>>> NVDA, >>>>>>>>>>>> definitely legally. 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