RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
- From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:43:30 +0100
Time to move on.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tyler
Littlefield
Sent: 18 June 2009 14:31
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
torrents==dad now, apparently.
Thanks,
Tyler Littlefield
Web: tysdomain.com
email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added features.
----- Original Message -----
From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
> I have the hole package already. my dad bought it for me
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:05 PM
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>
>> ok, both would be on pc applications, one could be done in any
language,
>> the other would be better done in either C++ or C# as far as I know,
I
>> would so you can stay in tune with progression recommend C# myself,
and
>> you can get an express version from the Microsoft downloads web site:
>>
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=en&FamilyID=
f3fbb04e-92c2-4701-b4ba-92e26e408569#filelist
>>
>> you can skip to the download buttons by (in jaws) bringing up the
list of
>> links (insert and F7) and hitting d until you hear "Download files
below"
>> and entering on it to bring you to the beginning of the download
section,
>> then go to the buttons (hit B to jump to the first on).
>> the first button is VB.net 2008
>> second is VS C++ 2008
>> third is C# 2008
>> and the forth is VWD 2008
>>
>> The scripts and an assortment of tutorials and such are available
from my
>> site (see URL under my name), The VS 2005 scripts and documentation
work
>> just as well in VS 2008)
>>
>> and there is more assistance available at Jamal's non visual
development
>> site, at:
>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/ndn.htm
>>
>> these should get you going!
>>
>> good luck,
>> the elf
>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>> for blind computer users and programmers
>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>> "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>> Owner: Agemtree
>> "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
>> www.agemtree.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>
>>
>>> I'm thinking about making a chat program that can use with msn to
talk
>>> to anyone in any network and something like a you push a button,
speak
>>> and let go and it'll be transmitted to the others.
>>> and I'd like to also write a program to
>>> control my computer from at work
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:24 PM
>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>
>>>> ok, for the chat programs, are you thinking something like IM IRC,
an
>>>> on computer client that connects to an online server so folks can
chat
>>>> in real-time, like msn but with a wider scope and far more
>>>> people;that's more accessible, although IM IRC has done a lot to
make
>>>> itself accessible, or are you thinking of an online chat project
where
>>>> you go to a website and use the page/client provided?
>>>>
>>>> the reason I am asking is pc games would require one type of
>>>> programming language, while online applications would require
another!
>>>>
>>>> the games could be online as well, or could be online connectable
>>>> through a IRC chat server on the web so folks could connect online
with
>>>> there pc capable game and challenge someone to an online game and
play
>>>> against someone down the block, or half way around the world.
>>>>
>>>> so new choice, online or offline (mainly)?
>>>>
>>>> the elf
>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>> "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>> Owner: Agemtree
>>>> "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
>>>> www.agemtree.com
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I'd llike to create some chat programs, and some audio-games
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: "The Elf" <inthaneelf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:30 AM
>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>
>>>>>> the standard first reply to "I want to learn programming",
>>>>>> first you have to decide what you wish to create, or what you
wish to
>>>>>> start creating first, things for the internet, tools for computer
>>>>>> maintenance, games, or other things (insert here)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and what do you wish to program for, home computers, business
comps,
>>>>>> Linux/UNIX, Mac, super computers, you need to answer the three
main
>>>>>> questions, who (for who as in the last listed group) what (as in
what
>>>>>> you wish to create) and where (you can make web based chats, or
>>>>>> personal chats, and this can be done with almost any application,
if
>>>>>> you wish to and there is a market).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> so get the three answered, then we can assist you in finding what
>>>>>> language to start learning to accomplish this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the site listed under my name has some resources available for
you
>>>>>> when you get to the forth stage, which is to start learning a
>>>>>> language, or your first language
>>>>>>
>>>>>> regards,
>>>>>> inthane
>>>>>> proprietor, The Grab Bag,
>>>>>> for blind computer users and programmers
>>>>>> http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>> Owner: Alacorn Computer Enterprises
>>>>>> "own the might and majesty of a Alacorn!"
>>>>>> www.alacorncomputer.com
>>>>>> Owner: Agemtree
>>>>>> "merchants in fine facetted and cabochon gemstones"
>>>>>> www.agemtree.com
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:53 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, can you help me? It'll mean a lot to me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:28 AM
>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> before you start to learn programming, you need to have the
smarts
>>>>>>>> not to share high dollar key protected software!
>>>>>>>> how would you like to work all day for years and not get paid
>>>>>>>> because someone gives away your app for free on the web?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bryan Schulz
>>>>>>>> The BEST Solution
>>>>>>>> www.best-acts.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:13 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it saves us on money lol. if you guys wish, I won't shear
programs
>>>>>>>>> on this list. but, I'd like to cuz I'm a nice person . how
ever
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to share everything I have. from music to software.
and I
>>>>>>>>> just like helping others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> From: "Tyler Littlefield" <tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:06 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sighs, I really have to wonder why people don't use common
sense
>>>>>>>>>> before they just offer a $1200 program up for free, which is
>>>>>>>>>> clearly protected by copyright in the middle of public.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>>>>>>> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>>>>>>> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly added
>>>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "doctor love" <minimack_19@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:04 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hae bill, you can contact me on skype. I have a version of
jaws
>>>>>>>>>> if you want a coppy. my friend buys jaws every year and then
>>>>>>>>>> gives us a coppy. I've talked it over with him and he said I
can
>>>>>>>>>> give you a coppy. but, I've download a coppy of jaws from
>>>>>>>>>> torrents and it's good as well. how ever, I'll give you a
coppy
>>>>>>>>>> of jaws which I got from my friend. If you'd like to contact
me,
>>>>>>>>>> you can on msn at
>>>>>>>>>> mackrishi@xxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> or you can contact me on skype. my skype name is zmackrishi.
by
>>>>>>>>>> the way, I'd like a little help from you also. I'm now
learning
>>>>>>>>>> programing. I've just started. or you can say that I haven't
>>>>>>>>>> started cuz, I haven't started one. I need to know what I
have to
>>>>>>>>>> learn, and what I have to get. I have vissual basic rite now.
and
>>>>>>>>>> I really want to do this. I heard that this list is the best.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> From: Bill Cox
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 2:46 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Jackie, and everyone for the replies.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have to say, it's a load off my shoulders knowing that many
>>>>>>>>>> other programmers succeed with visual impairment. I'm more
>>>>>>>>>> adaptable than most, and am pretty sure I'll do OK. The
>>>>>>>>>> emacspeak project looks most promising to me in my situation
>>>>>>>>>> (long-time emacs hacker, with peripheral vision that should
work
>>>>>>>>>> long-term). I'll be able to use apps I'm familiar with with
>>>>>>>>>> magnification sometimes (like skype). I'm having trouble
>>>>>>>>>> installing any speech synthesizer it works with on my Kubuntu
>>>>>>>>>> 9.04 x64 system, though. I'll post to the emacspeak list, and
if
>>>>>>>>>> I have to, I'll write some support for other speech synthesis
>>>>>>>>>> back-ends.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not that it's critical now, but if I'm going to bother
writing a
>>>>>>>>>> back-end for emacspeak to support another speech synthesizer,
>>>>>>>>>> which synthesizer would you recommend? I've installed both
>>>>>>>>>> festival and espeak. I've also listened to demos of
Cepstral,
>>>>>>>>>> which sound much better to me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 2:12 PM, Jackie McBride
>>>>>>>>>> <abletec@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Bill:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1st, I do know what you're going thru. It bites.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> U asked a question about whether u should use magnification
or
>>>>>>>>>> screenreader. generally speaking, the conventional wisdom
has it
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> once you're at 5x magnification or above, productivity
decreases
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> such a level that screenreading software should be employed.
>>>>>>>>>> This is
>>>>>>>>>> not to say that being able to zoom in on a particular spot
might
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> be helpful, but that it takes so much time to navigate the
>>>>>>>>>> screen
>>>>>>>>>> using magnification that productivity suffers. It should
also be
>>>>>>>>>> noted
>>>>>>>>>> that eyestrain using magnification software can result in
>>>>>>>>>> headache &
>>>>>>>>>> fatigue. Often, if system requirements permit, screenreading
>>>>>>>>>> software
>>>>>>>>>> & magnification can function together to create a more
powerful
>>>>>>>>>> solution than either technology alone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regarding learning braille, there are a variety of factors
to
>>>>>>>>>> consider, including tactile sensitivity & desire to learn. I
>>>>>>>>>> recommend
>>>>>>>>>> it for those who can, but, for example, many w/diabetic
>>>>>>>>>> retinopathy/neuropathy find it to be more frustrating than
it's
>>>>>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I really suggest that u not only avail yourself of the
resources
>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> this list, which are considerable, but also contact your
state
>>>>>>>>>> vocational rehabilitation department/commission for the
blind,
>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>> case may be. They should surely be able to assist u,
especially
>>>>>>>>>> as it
>>>>>>>>>> relates to learning braille. Also, Hadley School for the
blind
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> Winnetka, IL, has braille courses, though I think u probably
>>>>>>>>>> have to
>>>>>>>>>> be legally blind in order to access those.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if u think I may be of further
assistance.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/09, Haden Pike <haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > The orca screen reader, part of gnome, supports
magnification.
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Haden Pike
>>>>>>>>>> > Email: haden.pike@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > --------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> > From: "Holdsworth, Lynn" <Lynn.Holdsworth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> > Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 11:16 AM
>>>>>>>>>> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> > Subject: RE: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> >> And there must surely be a plethora of free and cheap
screen
>>>>>>>>>> >> magnification solutions for Linux. Anybody know anything
>>>>>>>>>> about those?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of
>>>>>>>>>> Tyler
>>>>>>>>>> >> Littlefield
>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: 15 June 2009 16:09
>>>>>>>>>> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Bill,
>>>>>>>>>> >> Something you might check out is the speakup project
found
>>>>>>>>>> at:
>>>>>>>>>> >> http://linux-speakup.org
>>>>>>>>>> >> They have a mailling list, and a good community.
>>>>>>>>>> >> Basically speakup is the community for one of the linux
>>>>>>>>>> screen readers
>>>>>>>>>> >> that is out, that uses espeak,flite,or festival.
>>>>>>>>>> >> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> >> Tyler Littlefield
>>>>>>>>>> >> Web: tysdomain.com
>>>>>>>>>> >> email: tyler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> >> My programs don't have bugs, they're called randomly
added
>>>>>>>>>> features.
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> >> From: "Bill Cox" <waywardgeek@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:03 AM
>>>>>>>>>> >> Subject: Re: Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Thanks, Jim.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> It makes me feel a lot better to hear you say that.
I've
>>>>>>>>>> been here
>>>>>>>>>> >>> before,
>>>>>>>>>> >>> with the typing problem, and there wasn't much of any
>>>>>>>>>> community at the
>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> time
>>>>>>>>>> >>> to help. Yes, I will most likely stay in the linux
world,
>>>>>>>>>> though I
>>>>>>>>>> >> would
>>>>>>>>>> >>> not rule out controlling linux boxes through cygwin bash
>>>>>>>>>> shells and
>>>>>>>>>> >> emacs
>>>>>>>>>> >>> like I did before. I also hope to help with development
of
>>>>>>>>>> some of
>>>>>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>>>>>> >>> tools being used.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Homme, James
>>>>>>>>>> >>> <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi Bill,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> You can definitely be productive as a programmer in
your
>>>>>>>>>> situation.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> According to me, you have come to the right place to
ask
>>>>>>>>>> these kinds
>>>>>>>>>> >> of
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> things. We have a lot of great people on this list. Do
you
>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>> >> stay
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> the Linux world?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Jim
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Jim Homme, Usability Engineering.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> 412-544-1810.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Note: I will reply to email and voice mail within four
>>>>>>>>>> hours.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "Nothing in this world can take the place of
persistence.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "Talent will not; nothing is more common than
unsuccessful
>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> talent.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a
proverb.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "Education will not; the world is full of educated
>>>>>>>>>> derelicts.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> "Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent."
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> - Calvin Coolidge (1872-1933)
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *From:* programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of
*Bill
>>>>>>>>>> Cox
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 15, 2009 10:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *To:* programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> *Subject:* Advice for a programmer losing vision?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Hi.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Sorry if you get a lot of first-time dumb posts, like
this.
>>>>>>>>>> I've got
>>>>>>>>>> >> a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> rare genetic defect that's causing me to lose my
central
>>>>>>>>>> vision.
>>>>>>>>>> >> It's a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> lot
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> like macular degeneration, but I'm only 45 years old.
I've
>>>>>>>>>> been a
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> programmer all my life, and have succeeded in dealing
with
>>>>>>>>>> disability
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> before. I could not type for three years. I mostly
>>>>>>>>>> program in C on
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Linux.
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> What tools should I learn, what forums should I join,
and
>>>>>>>>>> what skills
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> should I develop to stay a productive programmer? I'm
very
>>>>>>>>>> good at
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> building
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> custom environments, which I did when I couldn't type.
For
>>>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> I bother with Braille, and which screen readers are
best
>>>>>>>>>> for mail,
>>>>>>>>>> >> web
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> browsing (and which browser?), and controlling shells
and
>>>>>>>>>> emacs? I
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> expect
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> to have peripheral vision for a long time. Do
programmers
>>>>>>>>>> with only
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> peripheral vision fare better reading text up close, or
>>>>>>>>>> using screen
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> readers?
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> Jackie McBride
>>>>>>>>>> Check out my homepage at:
>>>>>>>>>> www.abletec.serverheaven.net
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>>>>>>>>>>
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