RE: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 08:17:28 -0400
Problems visually impaired and blind developers are having with Apple
hardware and software when those actually are accessibility problems
need to be brought to the attention of accessibility@xxxxxxxxx because
that's the only way they'll get addressed and solved. The thing with
iPhone applications is that they're programmed using objectiveC and they
need to be cocoa-compliant to expose accessibility components needed by
VoiceOver. The carbon interface is deprecated so far as Apple and
accessibility go. Even so, it ought to be possible to use tools like
accercizer to check on accessibility during development once that's
built for the Mac.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ken Perry
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 18:08
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
And the most important thing to realize is that the interface builder
sucks
if you're trying to code on a Mac. You have little to no chance to
build an
IPhone application totally blind. True you can do it but I know of no
one
who has completed something who is to totally blind so you are at the
mercy
of what Apple makes accessible.
With that said I have an Imac an IPhone and I soon will have a Mac Book
Pro
so I am not a full bigot I am just warning people it is not as easy as
people want to make it seem. In fact doing things in Mac is more work
than
it is to do in windows. I will also point out that I have had windows
from
XP on and have had 1 virus but then I do all the things you should do .
Oh
and I got that virus because my linux box got hacked in 2003. At any
rate I
find the whole security thing a big bunch of hooyee if you watch your
p's
and q's. I will also point out that a few developers use Mac where I
work
and we have had a lot of problem with library compatibility because Mac
does
not keep things like WX widgets and Java up to date and sometimes 64 bit
and
32 bit become problems in python. These can all be overcome but do not
think for a second that the Mac will be a dream to use it's a computer
and
because it's a computer it is work to use .
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell,
Jude
T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:20 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
Importance: Low
I use VoiceOver both on a mac mini I have at home and on my iPhone 3gs
and find it very useable. The only times I use windows is at work
because I find the operating system's stability questionable and regular
security requirements to be a major drawback. When I got my Apple
Computer, I installed all of the software on it myself without sighted
assistance and I've been totally blind from birth. For any would-be mac
user who is starting out with a new machine to install who has used
windows first there are four things to remember which will help you get
the job done. 1) There is no alt key on the mac; it's called command
and you'll understand why this is very important shortly. 2) In order
to toggle VoiceOver on and off, the key combination is command-f5. 3)
Failure to respond to screen prompts when you start installing a modern
Apple operating system like Tiger; Leopard, and snow leopard will get
VoiceOver started talking to you automatically and prompting you all the
way through your installation. 4) The help key combination on the
computer is command-question mark. 5) When you get asked during
installation if you'd like to learn how to use your mac, good idea to
answer yes and go through the introductory tutorial. Sorry, calculator
ran out of coffee and can't count all that well this morning.
-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 17:54
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
Just how accessible is apple these days anyway? I heard some
interesting things about voiceover but, I've never run across another
screen reader user who's actually made the switch. Are all
applications accessible using it? Wonder how coding, word processing
and browsing work with it.
Alex
On 6/25/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks a lot. If only Microsoft Corp would be as proactive as Apple
in
> making their products accessible right from the source and not having
us
> have to install extra software just for accessibility purposes. I
mean
> seriously.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal
Mazrui
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:11 AM
> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
>
> From the archive
>
> http://EmpowermentZone.com/ms_acc_doc.zip
>
> This archive contains accessibility guides and research studies from
> microsoft.com. Each .doc or .pdf file also has a .txt version.
> Printer-friendly versions of .htm files were chosen. The about 30
> document titles are listed below.
>
> Jamal
>
> The Market for Accessible Technology - The Wide Range of Abilities and
Its
> Impact on Computer Use
>
> Accessibility in Internet Explorer 7
>
> Accessibility in Internet Explorer 8
>
> Accessibility in Office 2003
>
> Accessibility in Office 2007
>
> Accessibility in Windows 7
>
> Accessibility in Windows Vista
>
> Accessibility Transitioning to Windows 7
>
> Accessibility Tutorials for Windows Vista
>
> Accessible Technology - A Guide for Educators
>
> Accessible Technology in Computing - Examining Awareness, Use, and
Future
> Potential
>
> Assistive Technology Decision Tree
>
> Computing Guide for Boomers
>
> Developing an Accessible Technology Plan
>
> Engineering for Accessibility
>
> Guide for Individuals with Dexterity and Mobility Impairments
>
> Guide for Individuals with Hearing Impairments
>
> Guide for Individuals with Language and Communication Impairments
>
> Guide for Individuals with Learning Impairments
>
> Guide for Individuals with Vision Impairments
>
> Identifying the Right Assistive Technology
>
> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 Accessibility
> Options
>
> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Internet Explorer 8 Accessibility
> Options
>
> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Outlook 2002 Accessibility
Options
>
> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Windows 2000 Accessibility
Options
>
> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Windows XP Accessibility Options
>
> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Word 2002 Accessibility Options
>
> The Business Value of Integrating Accessible Technology into Business
> Organizations
>
> Understanding Accessible Technology
>
>
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