Thanks, Jude. That was very informative. Alex M On 7/7/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > And the most important thing to realize is that the interface builder sucks > if you're trying to code on a Mac. You have little to no chance to build an > IPhone application totally blind. True you can do it but I know of no one > who has completed something who is to totally blind so you are at the mercy > of what Apple makes accessible. > > With that said I have an Imac an IPhone and I soon will have a Mac Book Pro > so I am not a full bigot I am just warning people it is not as easy as > people want to make it seem. In fact doing things in Mac is more work than > it is to do in windows. I will also point out that I have had windows from > XP on and have had 1 virus but then I do all the things you should do . Oh > and I got that virus because my linux box got hacked in 2003. At any rate I > find the whole security thing a big bunch of hooyee if you watch your p's > and q's. I will also point out that a few developers use Mac where I work > and we have had a lot of problem with library compatibility because Mac does > not keep things like WX widgets and Java up to date and sometimes 64 bit and > 32 bit become problems in python. These can all be overcome but do not > think for a second that the Mac will be a dream to use it's a computer and > because it's a computer it is work to use . > > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DaShiell, Jude > T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26 > Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:20 AM > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: RE: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft > Importance: Low > > I use VoiceOver both on a mac mini I have at home and on my iPhone 3gs > and find it very useable. The only times I use windows is at work > because I find the operating system's stability questionable and regular > security requirements to be a major drawback. When I got my Apple > Computer, I installed all of the software on it myself without sighted > assistance and I've been totally blind from birth. For any would-be mac > user who is starting out with a new machine to install who has used > windows first there are four things to remember which will help you get > the job done. 1) There is no alt key on the mac; it's called command > and you'll understand why this is very important shortly. 2) In order > to toggle VoiceOver on and off, the key combination is command-f5. 3) > Failure to respond to screen prompts when you start installing a modern > Apple operating system like Tiger; Leopard, and snow leopard will get > VoiceOver started talking to you automatically and prompting you all the > way through your installation. 4) The help key combination on the > computer is command-question mark. 5) When you get asked during > installation if you'd like to learn how to use your mac, good idea to > answer yes and go through the introductory tutorial. Sorry, calculator > ran out of coffee and can't count all that well this morning. > > -----Original Message----- > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 17:54 > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft > > Just how accessible is apple these days anyway? I heard some > interesting things about voiceover but, I've never run across another > screen reader user who's actually made the switch. Are all > applications accessible using it? Wonder how coding, word processing > and browsing work with it. > > Alex > > On 6/25/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Thanks a lot. If only Microsoft Corp would be as proactive as Apple > in >> making their products accessible right from the source and not having > us >> have to install extra software just for accessibility purposes. I > mean >> seriously. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal > Mazrui >> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:11 AM >> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Subject: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft >> >> From the archive >> >> http://EmpowermentZone.com/ms_acc_doc.zip >> >> This archive contains accessibility guides and research studies from >> microsoft.com. Each .doc or .pdf file also has a .txt version. >> Printer-friendly versions of .htm files were chosen. The about 30 >> document titles are listed below. >> >> Jamal >> >> The Market for Accessible Technology - The Wide Range of Abilities and > Its >> Impact on Computer Use >> >> Accessibility in Internet Explorer 7 >> >> Accessibility in Internet Explorer 8 >> >> Accessibility in Office 2003 >> >> Accessibility in Office 2007 >> >> Accessibility in Windows 7 >> >> Accessibility in Windows Vista >> >> Accessibility Transitioning to Windows 7 >> >> Accessibility Tutorials for Windows Vista >> >> Accessible Technology - A Guide for Educators >> >> Accessible Technology in Computing - Examining Awareness, Use, and > Future >> Potential >> >> Assistive Technology Decision Tree >> >> Computing Guide for Boomers >> >> Developing an Accessible Technology Plan >> >> Engineering for Accessibility >> >> Guide for Individuals with Dexterity and Mobility Impairments >> >> Guide for Individuals with Hearing Impairments >> >> Guide for Individuals with Language and Communication Impairments >> >> Guide for Individuals with Learning Impairments >> >> Guide for Individuals with Vision Impairments >> >> Identifying the Right Assistive Technology >> >> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 Accessibility >> Options >> >> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Internet Explorer 8 Accessibility >> Options >> >> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Outlook 2002 Accessibility > Options >> >> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Windows 2000 Accessibility > Options >> >> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Windows XP Accessibility Options >> >> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Word 2002 Accessibility Options >> >> The Business Value of Integrating Accessible Technology into Business >> Organizations >> >> Understanding Accessible Technology >> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 5229 (20100625) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature >> database 5229 (20100625) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ >> View the list's information and change your settings at >> //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind >> >> > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > > __________ > View the list's information and change your settings at > //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind > > __________ View the list's information and change your settings at //www.freelists.org/list/programmingblind