Re: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 11:31:52 -0500
So narrator was supposed to be better than it is, huh? It's news like
that that makes me be behind stuff like NVDA 100%. I also applaud
apple for what they did with VoiceOver. I think said providers of out
of date readers and magnifiers need to be taken down a peg or two and
be made to smell the coffee. Open source screen readers and cheaper
ones like SATGO might do it. I hope Microsoft gets involved with
funding NVDA the way Mozilla has. The one thing I can't believe they
are so far behind on is Java platform applications. You figure for
about a thousand bucks, you oughta get something that would pay more
attention to the new multiplatform trend that is coming into fashion.
It's why I got so excited when I read the post about a java screen
reader here. I only wish I weren't such a raw newbie to c++ and could
really contribute to such an undertaking. I've a question for you all
about that, incidentally, but I'll use a new thread for it to keep
things organized.
Alex
On 6/26/10, Ken Perry <whistler@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> I would not say don't get a mac just be aware that it is not a dream as some
> might say. It is nice if you have never used Windows and don't know that to
> use a table in windows with Jaws now is a snap or to web browser is as easy
> as reading a text doc or easier in Jaws. You find that there are more
> steps to open tables and more steps to interact with web. It is nice to
> Have a mac sitting in my living room to use when I need to do little things
> but I personally don't as snappy as I like it. One thing that is nice about
> the Mac is you can install it it then asks you if you want the tutorial and
> teaches you to use the screen reader. Finally once your all set after doing
> the tutorial all the controls work as the tutorial tells you they will.
> That doesn't mean it is the easiest interface to use but once you learn it
> you can use most of the software on the Mac without having to learn special
> steps.
>
> The Mac theory though is to read less not more. If your one that likes to
> hear labels on everything so you know what your filling out it doesn't
> always do that by default. Sometimes you have to request to know what label
> goes with what. Things do not auto read out like your used to in all
> windows screen readers at all times. So let's just say If you're a normal
> computer user and just want to do simple web browsing, emailing, media
> playing and editing of documents it's a very accessible and usable system.
>
> One I am not using that much yet because I need to work in other OS for my
> job. I will say though when I get a new work computer it will be a Mac the
> reason is I will boot that Mac into windows 7, I then can boot into mac and
> run Fusion and run Linux and windows 7 under it. This way I can multi
> operating system builds. Right now I have an old power mac, XP box and
> Linux box my next work computer will be a Mac just so I have one thing on my
> desk. I will be using it as windows though most often.
>
> Ken
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 6:05 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
>
> Hi, Ken,
>
> Thank you for such an informative response. I am taking my first
> tentative and rather clumsy steps in learning to program. I use Jaws
> and, at times, NVDA for my computer needs. My wife and I have toyed
> with the idea of getting a mac book or an i-pad in the future and I
> wondered how accessible it would be for me. She is sighted so, of
> course, can use anything she pleases. I think I'll stick to windows for
> now. I'm having a devil of a time as it is powing and slogging my way
> through visual c++ 2010 without adding complication to my plate. Can't
> get the silly thing to compile standard c++ programs for some reason.
> Anyway, Thanks again and have a nice day.
>
> Alex
> Ken Perry wrote:
>> It is very accessible if you use Mac word called IWorks and other things
>> apple like spread sheet. The developer access sucks but can be dealt
> with.
>> A lot of stuff works out of the box and I know to high level blind
>> developers who have switched to it. I will say though they also have
> Fusion
>> and windows 7 and linux running on the mac for things the Mac will not do.
>> Over all if your just wanting to do basic stuff the Mac is a ok product.
> My
>> opinion and I have one down in my living room is that everything is a
>> magnitude harder to do. If you get in a race with another blind person
> using
>> windows 7 and jaws you can just do things a hell of a lot faster with
>> Windows 7 and Jaws.
>>
>> Ken
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 5:54 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
>>
>> Just how accessible is apple these days anyway? I heard some
>> interesting things about voiceover but, I've never run across another
>> screen reader user who's actually made the switch. Are all
>> applications accessible using it? Wonder how coding, word processing
>> and browsing work with it.
>>
>> Alex
>>
>> On 6/25/10, katherine Moss<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks a lot. If only Microsoft Corp would be as proactive as Apple in
>>> making their products accessible right from the source and not having us
>>> have to install extra software just for accessibility purposes. I mean
>>> seriously.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jamal Mazrui
>>> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 11:11 AM
>>> To: guispeak@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Accessibility guides and research studies from Microsoft
>>>
>>> From the archive
>>>
>>> http://EmpowermentZone.com/ms_acc_doc.zip
>>>
>>> This archive contains accessibility guides and research studies from
>>> microsoft.com. Each .doc or .pdf file also has a .txt version.
>>> Printer-friendly versions of .htm files were chosen. The about 30
>>> document titles are listed below.
>>>
>>> Jamal
>>>
>>> The Market for Accessible Technology - The Wide Range of Abilities and
> Its
>>> Impact on Computer Use
>>>
>>> Accessibility in Internet Explorer 7
>>>
>>> Accessibility in Internet Explorer 8
>>>
>>> Accessibility in Office 2003
>>>
>>> Accessibility in Office 2007
>>>
>>> Accessibility in Windows 7
>>>
>>> Accessibility in Windows Vista
>>>
>>> Accessibility Transitioning to Windows 7
>>>
>>> Accessibility Tutorials for Windows Vista
>>>
>>> Accessible Technology - A Guide for Educators
>>>
>>> Accessible Technology in Computing - Examining Awareness, Use, and Future
>>> Potential
>>>
>>> Assistive Technology Decision Tree
>>>
>>> Computing Guide for Boomers
>>>
>>> Developing an Accessible Technology Plan
>>>
>>> Engineering for Accessibility
>>>
>>> Guide for Individuals with Dexterity and Mobility Impairments
>>>
>>> Guide for Individuals with Hearing Impairments
>>>
>>> Guide for Individuals with Language and Communication Impairments
>>>
>>> Guide for Individuals with Learning Impairments
>>>
>>> Guide for Individuals with Vision Impairments
>>>
>>> Identifying the Right Assistive Technology
>>>
>>> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Internet Explorer 6 Accessibility
>>> Options
>>>
>>> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Internet Explorer 8 Accessibility
>>> Options
>>>
>>> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Outlook 2002 Accessibility Options
>>>
>>> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Windows 2000 Accessibility Options
>>>
>>> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Windows XP Accessibility Options
>>>
>>> Step by Step Tutorials for Microsoft Word 2002 Accessibility Options
>>>
>>> The Business Value of Integrating Accessible Technology into Business
>>> Organizations
>>>
>>> Understanding Accessible Technology
>>>
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