Re: No to SQL? Anti-database movement gains steam
- From: Robert Freeman <robertgfreeman@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: sunil.kanderi@xxxxxxxxx, Oracle-L Freelists <oracle-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 12:14:20 -0700 (PDT)
I've seen this kind of thing in a number of places that I've been in the
past....
Having worked with hibernate, I can tell you that the efficiency of it's
"Generated" SQL is terrible in more complex applications. If you interview
anyone that believes that you can just turn to Hibernate and forget the
database layer, that would be an automatic disqualification in my mind. The
problem, as I see it, is several fold.
First, you have rouge developers who are tired of the database guys telling
them they they have to think about database design, they have to think about
performance and they have to think about more than just getting the application
up and running with the right answers. These are the guys who start the ninja
projects using databases that are not common to the enterprise (say, MySQL in a
prodominatly Oracle environment). I think there are a number of reasons that
this happens. Cost, the perception that development is sped up, and then there
is #2...
Second, the DBA clan has, in general, not caught up to the notion of Agile
development methodologies in many cases. It's not just the DBA's but other
component pieces like project management, infrastructure, etc. We can't (or
won't) respond fast enough, so develpers take on a ninja/dark forces attitude.
I'm sure there are other reasons but these come immediately to mind and I can't
spend the afternoon writing a white paper on my overall experience with this
problem. I also have a few solutions in mind, but thats a different response.
An interesting article on Cloud computing and security related concerns:
http://www.darkreading.com/securityservices/security/attacks/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218102139&cid=nl_DR_DAILY_H
Cheers!
RF
Robert G. Freeman
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From: Sunil Kanderi <sunil.kanderi@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Oracle-L@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 12:47:29 PM
Subject: No to SQL? Anti-database movement gains steam
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9135086
Interesting article in ComputerWorld about the NoSQL movement. Most of my DBA
experience has been primarily related to large ERP applications and recently
had to start supporting Java Development environment and it almost feels like a
totally different world. Looking at ORM tools like Hibernate, which is very
popular with Java crowd, it baffles me as to how little SQL one really needs to
know to get by with and their general aversion to understanding SQL. At this
point these NoSQL alternatives do not seem to apply to the enterprises, but
mostly to Web 2.0 based applications. However things could change and was
curious to know what the broader Oracle community thinks about these
alternatives especially with Cloud computing and databases on the cloud, fast
catching on within the enterprises. At my work place, we are migrating all out
hardware/database infrastructure to a hosted platform and I wouldn't be
surprised if within the next three years all our
applications being totally supported on a cloud platform. This will
undoubtedly have a big impact on the infrastructure folks, be it OS/hardware or
Database.
Here is a good discussion on the article sited above.
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=683807
Best,
Sunil.
http://www.linkedin.com/in/sunilkanderi
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