Barrie, By any chance re the replacement parts were there any changes to the eccentric rod and or the valve bobbin or I suppose thinking about it the width of the valves on the bobbin....I fear that the eccentric rod I have is too long and and the valve bobbin too short. My understaning of walsharts is that providing the parts are made correctly then the system should work well, and that a pooly designed system will not work well and or a pooly made correctly designed system will not work. Now then as I regard that my workmanship is good and better than most amateur engineers and that I have bushed the original Winsons bits and bobs out so that there I little or no play then the only thing to deduce as to why it will not run correctly is that the design was poor to start with. If you can be of any assistance I'd be gratful, I am reluctant to remove the liners from the cylinders [I didn't fit them] and I believe they have been glued in place, this makes measuring the internal orifices / distance between ports and port dimensions difficult to say the least.........if I hade these measurements I might be able to redesign to at least make an acceptable running engine............ah well might be something to do on Christmas morning!!!!!!!! I have never seen the Perrier drawings I take it there is considerable difference to the Winsons version. Regards, IP Priest & Sons Model Engineers http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm -----Original Message----- From: modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:modeleng-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of BarriePurslow Sent: 05 December 2004 13:28 To: modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [modeleng] Re: Valve Gear Modifications Hello Ian, I received the Winson valve gear mods for my Brit. I tried them on the engine but could not notice any difference. The basic problem I had was the abyssmal design of piston valves allowing leakage between the bobbins and the liners also leakages between the liners and cylinder body. I am at a loss to understand why you need the reverser in full reverse gear to get it to go forward. Although I do recall that the thread on the worm drive was R.H. and I changed it to L.H.....but you're not that daft? The best advice I can offer is to build it to the Perrier drawings. The Winson Brit was based on these - they bastardised, sorry, productionised it! Regards, Barrie Purslow Warrington UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pendragon" <idpriest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: [modeleng] Valve Gear Modifications > Greetings all, > > Saga of the Winsons Brit continues. I have just spent about two hours > trying to set the valve gear on only one side of the engine. I can > just about get it managable providing the reverser is in 100% back > when I want to get the loco goinf forwards .....no I haven't got any > of the bits in the wrong place or set in the wrong quadrant...not > quite that daft yet! > > I am aware that Winsons had problems with this valve gear and > developed a modification, has anyone get any details. > > Regards IP > > Priest & Sons Model Engineers > http://www.kinvermes.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/p1.htm > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the > subject line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.805 / Virus Database: 547 - Release Date: 03/12/2004 MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.