[mac4theblind] Re: created a bootable installer of Mountain Lion with SuperDuper
- From: Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:51:48 +0000
Hi Lew, on second thoughts, maybe I won't attempt it.
I really want to update to Mavericks though lol.
There's a reason for this. basically, I want to see if I can adjust to the new
compact Daniel voice with Mavericks and if I am able to handle how he sounds
now then I can in turn update my iPhone 5 which is still running IOS6.4
Mad, I know apart from wanting to see what's new in Mavericks I thought if I
really find the new voice hard to handle then I thought at least I can
downgrade back to Mountain Lion where as on the iPhone once you've upgraded
there's no going back.
Last year I updated to Mountain Lion with out even thinking about it but this
year I'm feeling more cautious. I thought that adding a disc partition would be
a good idea but if I'm not comfortable with performing it, would I be better in
just doing a straight upgrade and if the voice is really bad just perform a
clean install and go back to Mountain Lion.
On 3 Nov 2013, at 15:44, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Sorry, I was examining an option to create an undo script within bootcamp.
> don’t bother.
>
> create a 100gb partition in your macintosh HD. or if you wanted to be really
> safe, get hold of an external USB hard drive and install Mavericks to that,
> which would create a full volume.
>
> if you’re creating a partition on Macintosh Hd, you need to add the partition
> to the lower section of the partition. so, in Disk utility, sepect Macintosh
> HD in the Partition tab, add a new partition by interacting with the add
> button below the partition window. now select the new partition and change
> it’s size to 100gb and ensure you name it Mavericks.
>
> when removing this partition and recovering the master partition (Macintosh
> HD, do this by rebooting your mac and pressing Command R. Be warned that at
> this point, Macintosh HD’s Primary partition can be tampered with IF YOU MAKE
> ANY MISTAKES HERE ON IN! so ensure you select Mavericks partition and delete
> it, then do a partition resize to original. this will reset the primary
> master.
>
> I advise at this point, in fact, before doing anything like this, make a time
> machine backup and have a pen drive ready if you have to rebuild the entire
> HDD if you make an error.
>
> This should only be attempted if you’re seriously comfortable to do this.
>
> lew
>
> On 3 Nov 2013, at 03:23 pm, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Hi Lew, now I'm confused. I haven't created any partition as of yet luckily
>> but a thing or two I want to clear up.
>> 1. You said create it with disc utility. Now your saying to start creating
>> the partition with boot camp and then finish formatting it with disc
>> utility. What's wrong with just creating the whole partition with disc
>> utility?
>> 2. I'm confused. lol
>> Here's what I was going to do. Please let me know if its alright this way.
>> 1. open up disc utility and navigate in the "select a disc table". Navigate
>> to my Toshiba 500GB hard drive. Not the Macontosh HD drive which is just
>> underneath.
>> 2. Once on my 500GB Toshiba hard drive navigate to the partition tab. At the
>> moment, all the options are dimd with Voiceover. I'm assuming that once I've
>> hitter the add button, all the options will become usable. please confirm.
>> 3. Finally once I've customised the partition to my liking, installed
>> Mavericks and decided I like or hate it, and boot back into my main mountain
>> lion system. Also, insured that ML is the startup disc will there be a
>> remove option button or something to that nature in order I can delete the
>> tested partition of Mavericks, recover the disc space and maybe even install
>> over the top of ML with the recovered space if I like the new OS.
>> Or isn't it quite as simple as that. lol
>> Sorry I feel like i'm pestering you but a simple direct answer of yes or no
>> would be great in this instance. I don't want it to get any more complicated
>> than it is.
>>
>> Thanks for baring with me, really appreciate all you offer to this list. :)
>>
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>> On 3 Nov 2013, at 11:13, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> addendum. new version of bootcamp manager does not support this advised
>>> principle without an install disk for windows present. it used to be the
>>> case you could create a volume and undo step.
>>>
>>> oops
>>>
>>> lew
>>>
>>> On 3 Nov 2013, at 11:05 am, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> first thing’s first. before considering mavericks, I’d consider a ram
>>>> upgrade because mavericks will need a bit more ram between OS, Voiceover
>>>> and your applications to perform at it’s best. If I remember right, you’re
>>>> in the UK, if that’s right then please visit www.crucial.com/uk. there’s a
>>>> system checker plugin that checks your mac to see what RAM you’re using
>>>> and what your rig can take as a maximum. I trust Crucial completely and
>>>> their service and support with me has been great for a long time. very
>>>> well priced ram as well for macs.
>>>>
>>>> With reference building partitions on your macintosh HD, you can actually
>>>> do a partition setup using strangely enough… Bootcamp utility. How you do
>>>> it is this, you make bootcamp think you’re about to install windows so you
>>>> divide your primary partition into 2 and there’s a restore point hidden
>>>> in the instruction code. before bootcamp starts the installer for windows,
>>>> quit. now go to disk utility, you should now have a drive the size you
>>>> want with bootcamp. as you’re using a 500gb 5400rpm drive, I’d make a
>>>> 100gb partition for mavericks as a test environment. when you’re in disk
>>>> utility and you see the partition for bootcamp, select that partition and
>>>> reformat it as OS X extended Journaled and rename it Mavericks. a bit of
>>>> an accessible workaround but it works. I’ve tried it as a back door method
>>>> before and it works, but as an admin tech, I know disk utility like a
>>>> service engineer knows it.
>>>>
>>>> sorry if I’m not clear. I’m just a little rough these days, not feeling at
>>>> my best and taking on so many support queries about mavericks drives me
>>>> mad. lol
>>>>
>>>> anyway. hope it works.
>>>>
>>>> lew
>>>>
>>>> On 3 Nov 2013, at 10:44 am, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lew, as all ways, wonderful detailed information. I will digest it at
>>>>> my own pace.
>>>>> If i were to not like Mavericks, at this present time and wanted to
>>>>> delete the 2nd created partition for a testing environment for the new
>>>>> OS, how would I delete, remove and recover my disc space from the created
>>>>> partition?
>>>>> I think you touched on it at the end of your instructions but if you
>>>>> could explain in a bit more detail how to restore the disc space get rid
>>>>> of Mavericks from the 2nd partition and have one whole disc drive working
>>>>> again.
>>>>>
>>>>> P.S.
>>>>> Just so you know I have a 13 inch Mac Book Pro with 4GB of RAM and the
>>>>> hard drive is 500GB Going by disc utility, I think the make is Toshiba at
>>>>> least that's what Voiceover is telling me after its announced the 500GB
>>>>> capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope this helps On 2 Nov 2013, at 12:51, Edward Lewis Redfern
>>>>> <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Depending on the size of your hard drive which would be useful to know.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Disk utility, if you’re going to create a 2nd bootable partition,
>>>>>> you first interact with “Selected Disks” pane. A drive layout in this
>>>>>> pane is as such that the identifier of the drive (drive bus) is above
>>>>>> the partition(s) created on the drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in this instance, you select the identifier above “Macintosh HD” which
>>>>>> is usually the size of drive or make of drive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> now tab to the “Partition” tab and in this window, there’s a partition
>>>>>> layout pane. for sighted users, this is a graphical representation of
>>>>>> the sizes of partitions created.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To add a partition, tab to the “Add Partition” Button, (identified as a
>>>>>> + button for V.I. users) This now splits the master drive into two. now
>>>>>> you need to interact with the partition window, this is identified in
>>>>>> Voiceover as the name of the current partition created, you’ll also find
>>>>>> after adding a partition a duplicate of Macintosh HD but this time it’s
>>>>>> named Macintosh HD 2. this can be resized and renamed.. Select Macintosh
>>>>>> HD 2 and size the partition to approx 60gb as a test only environment
>>>>>> and name it Mavericks. Apply changes to the partition map by tabbing to
>>>>>> “Apply.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you’ve created a bootable installer, you can reboot your mac with the
>>>>>> installer, run mavericks, but this time, you select the mavericks
>>>>>> partition you’ve just created and it will install to it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do please note that when booting, your mac will now default boot to the
>>>>>> new mavericks partition, unless you’ve configured it elsewhere. to
>>>>>> change the boot sequence of drives, you can go to Startup Disk in System
>>>>>> preferences and select Macintosh HD if you’re still using mountain lion,
>>>>>> or Mavericks partition if you’re going to do it this way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At any time, you can erase the mavericks partition but the only way of
>>>>>> recovering the lost partition back to your Macintosh HD is by holding
>>>>>> Command R on boot, use disk utility to resize the “Macintosh HD
>>>>>> partition back to it’s full size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> lew
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Nov 2013, at 11:27 am, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Lew, how would I create a disc partition with Voiceover? I kinda
>>>>>>> like the idea of making a test of Mavericks and then if it wasn't for
>>>>>>> me trashing it afterwards.
>>>>>>> Just want to learn about all my different options before going ahead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:42, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK. when I say format the HDD. select Macintosh HD in disk utility
>>>>>>>> when you boot into the installer. you get a window with 4 options. you
>>>>>>>> only need to concern yourself with 2. Disk Utility, and install OS X
>>>>>>>> Mountain Lion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Run disk utility, go to the Selected Disks Window and select Micontosh
>>>>>>>> HD. tab to the Erase Tab and there is a pull down menu. you need to
>>>>>>>> select OS X extended Journaled. then ensure your drive is named
>>>>>>>> Macintosh HD unless you’ve a name you like for the volume. then tab to
>>>>>>>> the Erase button. it will ask you to confirm to do so. Continue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> once completed quit disk utility. Command Q lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> now start the install OS X process. you’ll be asked to agree to terms,
>>>>>>>> etc then select the drive to install to. after that, let it do it’s
>>>>>>>> thing and away you go.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lew.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> P.S: I advise clean installs only with regards Mavericks due to
>>>>>>>> compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have tested and confirmed on a number of workstations in test mode a
>>>>>>>> series of errors now reported to apple where certain installer
>>>>>>>> conflicts occur, this is where, in an upgrade instance, your mac can
>>>>>>>> become bogged down, conflict and require not only a disk permissions
>>>>>>>> repair and disk repair but also a lot of reworking. If you’re going to
>>>>>>>> use mavericks, I advise a clean install, or if you’re going to test
>>>>>>>> it, make a partition on your Macintosh HD and set a partition for
>>>>>>>> about 60gb or so. then install mavericks to that as a test point. if
>>>>>>>> you’re not happy, you can dump and recover your space to the HDD.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> lew
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 05:31 pm, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Edward, or is it Lew I'm not sure which. lol
>>>>>>>>> Don't worry, I'll definitely make sure I'll have a backup of all my
>>>>>>>>> documents and alike before going ahead.
>>>>>>>>> A couple of things if I may ask. When you say format the HD do you
>>>>>>>>> mean the Macintosh hard drive? Just to be clear and secondly, what
>>>>>>>>> formats choices are there to choose from I'm just cureious and I'm
>>>>>>>>> making an educated guess but I bet my money on that it will be Mac
>>>>>>>>> OSX extended gernaled to format the hard drive too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My primary purpose of making the backup of ML is because I want to go
>>>>>>>>> to the Mavericks root by just the update method. Now, I know you
>>>>>>>>> advise people to go through the clean install path but I just want to
>>>>>>>>> update and if anything is wrong with Mavericks or I find it too buggy
>>>>>>>>> with Voiceover with my ML backup would I be able to successfully
>>>>>>>>> downgrade back to Mountain Lion? If so, how would one do this
>>>>>>>>> assuming I've made my ML bootable USB 8GB Sea-Gate flash drive that I
>>>>>>>>> brought the other day. From Argos by the way. lol
>>>>>>>>> I've never done a clean install or re-install of a previous Mac OS
>>>>>>>>> before so it is all new to me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:05, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi daniel.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> first off, ensure you’ve backed up everything. glad that SuperDuper
>>>>>>>>>> works for you. it’s a useful product and part of my toolbox.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> open up system preferences and go to Startup Disk. you should see
>>>>>>>>>> your new bootable volume listed. if so, select it and tab to
>>>>>>>>>> restart. now you can continue reformatting your HDD using disk
>>>>>>>>>> utility within the installer then installing your OS. it is
>>>>>>>>>> important to format the HDD because otherwise you will end up with
>>>>>>>>>> corrupt data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> lew
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 04:50 pm, Daniel McGee
>>>>>>>>>> <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I am please to report that I think I've managed to create a
>>>>>>>>>>> bootable Mountain Lion with the release I purchased last year with
>>>>>>>>>>> my Apple ID that I made a backup to my external hard drive with.
>>>>>>>>>>> I did this with SuperDuper and WOW!!! It was like so easy to do!
>>>>>>>>>>> Had a bit of trouble understanding what was to come 1st the source
>>>>>>>>>>> or the location. I finally figured it out with a youtube video
>>>>>>>>>>> though. lol
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't know what to do after this though so any guidance forth
>>>>>>>>>>> coming would be fantastic but I'm glad that I've gotten the 1st
>>>>>>>>>>> step completed! :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope everyone had a fabulous halloween!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Daniel ************
>>>>>>>>>>>
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