[mac4theblind] Re: created a bootable installer of Mountain Lion with SuperDuper
- From: Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx>
- To: "mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx the blind" <mac4theblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:44:08 +0000
Sorry, I was examining an option to create an undo script within bootcamp.
don’t bother.
create a 100gb partition in your macintosh HD. or if you wanted to be really
safe, get hold of an external USB hard drive and install Mavericks to that,
which would create a full volume.
if you’re creating a partition on Macintosh Hd, you need to add the partition
to the lower section of the partition. so, in Disk utility, sepect Macintosh HD
in the Partition tab, add a new partition by interacting with the add button
below the partition window. now select the new partition and change it’s size
to 100gb and ensure you name it Mavericks.
when removing this partition and recovering the master partition (Macintosh HD,
do this by rebooting your mac and pressing Command R. Be warned that at this
point, Macintosh HD’s Primary partition can be tampered with IF YOU MAKE ANY
MISTAKES HERE ON IN! so ensure you select Mavericks partition and delete it,
then do a partition resize to original. this will reset the primary master.
I advise at this point, in fact, before doing anything like this, make a time
machine backup and have a pen drive ready if you have to rebuild the entire HDD
if you make an error.
This should only be attempted if you’re seriously comfortable to do this.
lew
On 3 Nov 2013, at 03:23 pm, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Lew, now I'm confused. I haven't created any partition as of yet luckily
> but a thing or two I want to clear up.
> 1. You said create it with disc utility. Now your saying to start creating
> the partition with boot camp and then finish formatting it with disc utility.
> What's wrong with just creating the whole partition with disc utility?
> 2. I'm confused. lol
> Here's what I was going to do. Please let me know if its alright this way.
> 1. open up disc utility and navigate in the "select a disc table". Navigate
> to my Toshiba 500GB hard drive. Not the Macontosh HD drive which is just
> underneath.
> 2. Once on my 500GB Toshiba hard drive navigate to the partition tab. At the
> moment, all the options are dimd with Voiceover. I'm assuming that once I've
> hitter the add button, all the options will become usable. please confirm.
> 3. Finally once I've customised the partition to my liking, installed
> Mavericks and decided I like or hate it, and boot back into my main mountain
> lion system. Also, insured that ML is the startup disc will there be a
> remove option button or something to that nature in order I can delete the
> tested partition of Mavericks, recover the disc space and maybe even install
> over the top of ML with the recovered space if I like the new OS.
> Or isn't it quite as simple as that. lol
> Sorry I feel like i'm pestering you but a simple direct answer of yes or no
> would be great in this instance. I don't want it to get any more complicated
> than it is.
>
> Thanks for baring with me, really appreciate all you offer to this list. :)
>
>
> Daniel
>
> On 3 Nov 2013, at 11:13, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> addendum. new version of bootcamp manager does not support this advised
>> principle without an install disk for windows present. it used to be the
>> case you could create a volume and undo step.
>>
>> oops
>>
>> lew
>>
>> On 3 Nov 2013, at 11:05 am, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> first thing’s first. before considering mavericks, I’d consider a ram
>>> upgrade because mavericks will need a bit more ram between OS, Voiceover
>>> and your applications to perform at it’s best. If I remember right, you’re
>>> in the UK, if that’s right then please visit www.crucial.com/uk. there’s a
>>> system checker plugin that checks your mac to see what RAM you’re using and
>>> what your rig can take as a maximum. I trust Crucial completely and their
>>> service and support with me has been great for a long time. very well
>>> priced ram as well for macs.
>>>
>>> With reference building partitions on your macintosh HD, you can actually
>>> do a partition setup using strangely enough… Bootcamp utility. How you do
>>> it is this, you make bootcamp think you’re about to install windows so you
>>> divide your primary partition into 2 and there’s a restore point hidden in
>>> the instruction code. before bootcamp starts the installer for windows,
>>> quit. now go to disk utility, you should now have a drive the size you want
>>> with bootcamp. as you’re using a 500gb 5400rpm drive, I’d make a 100gb
>>> partition for mavericks as a test environment. when you’re in disk utility
>>> and you see the partition for bootcamp, select that partition and reformat
>>> it as OS X extended Journaled and rename it Mavericks. a bit of an
>>> accessible workaround but it works. I’ve tried it as a back door method
>>> before and it works, but as an admin tech, I know disk utility like a
>>> service engineer knows it.
>>>
>>> sorry if I’m not clear. I’m just a little rough these days, not feeling at
>>> my best and taking on so many support queries about mavericks drives me
>>> mad. lol
>>>
>>> anyway. hope it works.
>>>
>>> lew
>>>
>>> On 3 Nov 2013, at 10:44 am, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lew, as all ways, wonderful detailed information. I will digest it at
>>>> my own pace.
>>>> If i were to not like Mavericks, at this present time and wanted to delete
>>>> the 2nd created partition for a testing environment for the new OS, how
>>>> would I delete, remove and recover my disc space from the created
>>>> partition?
>>>> I think you touched on it at the end of your instructions but if you could
>>>> explain in a bit more detail how to restore the disc space get rid of
>>>> Mavericks from the 2nd partition and have one whole disc drive working
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> P.S.
>>>> Just so you know I have a 13 inch Mac Book Pro with 4GB of RAM and the
>>>> hard drive is 500GB Going by disc utility, I think the make is Toshiba at
>>>> least that's what Voiceover is telling me after its announced the 500GB
>>>> capacity.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this helps On 2 Nov 2013, at 12:51, Edward Lewis Redfern
>>>> <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Depending on the size of your hard drive which would be useful to know.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Disk utility, if you’re going to create a 2nd bootable partition, you
>>>>> first interact with “Selected Disks” pane. A drive layout in this pane is
>>>>> as such that the identifier of the drive (drive bus) is above the
>>>>> partition(s) created on the drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> in this instance, you select the identifier above “Macintosh HD” which is
>>>>> usually the size of drive or make of drive.
>>>>>
>>>>> now tab to the “Partition” tab and in this window, there’s a partition
>>>>> layout pane. for sighted users, this is a graphical representation of the
>>>>> sizes of partitions created.
>>>>>
>>>>> To add a partition, tab to the “Add Partition” Button, (identified as a +
>>>>> button for V.I. users) This now splits the master drive into two. now you
>>>>> need to interact with the partition window, this is identified in
>>>>> Voiceover as the name of the current partition created, you’ll also find
>>>>> after adding a partition a duplicate of Macintosh HD but this time it’s
>>>>> named Macintosh HD 2. this can be resized and renamed.. Select Macintosh
>>>>> HD 2 and size the partition to approx 60gb as a test only environment and
>>>>> name it Mavericks. Apply changes to the partition map by tabbing to
>>>>> “Apply.
>>>>>
>>>>> if you’ve created a bootable installer, you can reboot your mac with the
>>>>> installer, run mavericks, but this time, you select the mavericks
>>>>> partition you’ve just created and it will install to it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do please note that when booting, your mac will now default boot to the
>>>>> new mavericks partition, unless you’ve configured it elsewhere. to
>>>>> change the boot sequence of drives, you can go to Startup Disk in System
>>>>> preferences and select Macintosh HD if you’re still using mountain lion,
>>>>> or Mavericks partition if you’re going to do it this way.
>>>>>
>>>>> At any time, you can erase the mavericks partition but the only way of
>>>>> recovering the lost partition back to your Macintosh HD is by holding
>>>>> Command R on boot, use disk utility to resize the “Macintosh HD partition
>>>>> back to it’s full size.
>>>>>
>>>>> lew
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Nov 2013, at 11:27 am, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Lew, how would I create a disc partition with Voiceover? I kinda like
>>>>>> the idea of making a test of Mavericks and then if it wasn't for me
>>>>>> trashing it afterwards.
>>>>>> Just want to learn about all my different options before going ahead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:42, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK. when I say format the HDD. select Macintosh HD in disk utility when
>>>>>>> you boot into the installer. you get a window with 4 options. you only
>>>>>>> need to concern yourself with 2. Disk Utility, and install OS X
>>>>>>> Mountain Lion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Run disk utility, go to the Selected Disks Window and select Micontosh
>>>>>>> HD. tab to the Erase Tab and there is a pull down menu. you need to
>>>>>>> select OS X extended Journaled. then ensure your drive is named
>>>>>>> Macintosh HD unless you’ve a name you like for the volume. then tab to
>>>>>>> the Erase button. it will ask you to confirm to do so. Continue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> once completed quit disk utility. Command Q lol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now start the install OS X process. you’ll be asked to agree to terms,
>>>>>>> etc then select the drive to install to. after that, let it do it’s
>>>>>>> thing and away you go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lew.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S: I advise clean installs only with regards Mavericks due to
>>>>>>> compatibility issues.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have tested and confirmed on a number of workstations in test mode a
>>>>>>> series of errors now reported to apple where certain installer
>>>>>>> conflicts occur, this is where, in an upgrade instance, your mac can
>>>>>>> become bogged down, conflict and require not only a disk permissions
>>>>>>> repair and disk repair but also a lot of reworking. If you’re going to
>>>>>>> use mavericks, I advise a clean install, or if you’re going to test it,
>>>>>>> make a partition on your Macintosh HD and set a partition for about
>>>>>>> 60gb or so. then install mavericks to that as a test point. if you’re
>>>>>>> not happy, you can dump and recover your space to the HDD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> lew
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 05:31 pm, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Edward, or is it Lew I'm not sure which. lol
>>>>>>>> Don't worry, I'll definitely make sure I'll have a backup of all my
>>>>>>>> documents and alike before going ahead.
>>>>>>>> A couple of things if I may ask. When you say format the HD do you
>>>>>>>> mean the Macintosh hard drive? Just to be clear and secondly, what
>>>>>>>> formats choices are there to choose from I'm just cureious and I'm
>>>>>>>> making an educated guess but I bet my money on that it will be Mac OSX
>>>>>>>> extended gernaled to format the hard drive too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My primary purpose of making the backup of ML is because I want to go
>>>>>>>> to the Mavericks root by just the update method. Now, I know you
>>>>>>>> advise people to go through the clean install path but I just want to
>>>>>>>> update and if anything is wrong with Mavericks or I find it too buggy
>>>>>>>> with Voiceover with my ML backup would I be able to successfully
>>>>>>>> downgrade back to Mountain Lion? If so, how would one do this assuming
>>>>>>>> I've made my ML bootable USB 8GB Sea-Gate flash drive that I brought
>>>>>>>> the other day. From Argos by the way. lol
>>>>>>>> I've never done a clean install or re-install of a previous Mac OS
>>>>>>>> before so it is all new to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Daniel
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 17:05, Edward Lewis Redfern <edwardredfern@xxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi daniel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> first off, ensure you’ve backed up everything. glad that SuperDuper
>>>>>>>>> works for you. it’s a useful product and part of my toolbox.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> open up system preferences and go to Startup Disk. you should see
>>>>>>>>> your new bootable volume listed. if so, select it and tab to restart.
>>>>>>>>> now you can continue reformatting your HDD using disk utility within
>>>>>>>>> the installer then installing your OS. it is important to format the
>>>>>>>>> HDD because otherwise you will end up with corrupt data.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> lew
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 04:50 pm, Daniel McGee <venables134@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, I am please to report that I think I've managed to create a
>>>>>>>>>> bootable Mountain Lion with the release I purchased last year with
>>>>>>>>>> my Apple ID that I made a backup to my external hard drive with.
>>>>>>>>>> I did this with SuperDuper and WOW!!! It was like so easy to do! Had
>>>>>>>>>> a bit of trouble understanding what was to come 1st the source or
>>>>>>>>>> the location. I finally figured it out with a youtube video though.
>>>>>>>>>> lol
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Don't know what to do after this though so any guidance forth coming
>>>>>>>>>> would be fantastic but I'm glad that I've gotten the 1st step
>>>>>>>>>> completed! :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hope everyone had a fabulous halloween!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Daniel ************
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