[lit-ideas] Re: flu vaccine
- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:32:37 EDT
Docs where I live (midwest) are *extremely* reluctant to prescribe anything
with codeine. It took 2 weeks of uncontrollable sever coughing and a
diagnosis of pneumonia to get cough syrup w/ codeine for my kiddo. They've
started
prescribing something with a drug in it that is codeine-like but non-narcotic
-- wish I could remember the name of it. Maybe someone here knows. I would
like to know more about the comparative efficacy of the two.
Julie Krueger
========Original Message======== Subj: [lit-ideas] Re: flu vaccine
Date: 10/30/04 3:26:20 PM Central Daylight Time From: _vcaley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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A.A. With all due respect, this sounds like the 1980's equivalent of the
1930's "he started by selling apples in the street and became a
millionaire" story. I won't call it quite a myth but it may qualify for
exaggeration. Secretly making medicines in his home? With no regulation,
no approval? If this is true, he is a criminal, since medication is
strictly regulated in this country (except vitamins and supplements, but
you all know that). I think if you investigated the story you'd see a lot
of fortune telling style ambiguities.
>
>
Actually, at least through the fifties, paregoric, a narcotic concoction
was available over the counter. It was used for colicky babies and
menstrual cramps and I am sure addicts were using it. Cough syrup with
codeine was available in the US until about twenty years ago, then about
ten years or so ago with signature of purchaser. Now it's a prescription
drug.
In Canada, aspirin and Tylenol with codeine was available over the counter
until relatively recently, as was cough syrup with codeine.
I wonder how many people consume illegal drugs nowadays because they
actually do have some health problem that might not be diagnosed or they
don't have the money for a doctor or who knows what other reason.
Veronica
Milford, MI
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> From: Andy Amago <aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Date: 10/30/2004 10:19:04 AM
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: flu vaccine
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eternitytime1@xxxxxxx
> Sent: Oct 29, 2004 4:35 PM
> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: flu vaccine
>
>
> In a message dated 10/29/2004 9:04:34 AM Central Daylight Time,
> aamago@xxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> But, being pure capitalism, with no restrictions by government, you
could
> solve the problem by going into your basement and mixing up a nice sugar
> solution and hawking it and making a bundle.
>
>
> Actually, that is exactly what happened, once in Kansas City. (Though
it
> was not a nice sugar solution). "Ewing Kauffman founded Marion
Laboratories
> Inc., operating out of his modest Kansas City residence. He used his
middle
> name, rather than his last name, so customers would not perceive him as
a
> one-man operation. By 1989, when Marion Laboratories was sold to Merrell
Dow, it
> had become a global diversified pharmaceutical giant with annual sales
of
> nearly $1 billion."
>
> He had been a pharmeucetical salesman--and was the top one at the company
> where he worked. He was given a 'cap' on how much he could make (no
matter how
> much he sold) and it made him cross. So, he ended up mixing up batches
of
> similar medicines to what he had been selling and then would go out and
sell
> them. (I don't remember all the details--have heard this story many
times,
> though, since his foundation is located here in KC and they let lots of
groups
> use their facilities...)
>
>
> A.A. With all due respect, this sounds like the the 1980's equivalent of
the 1930's "he started by selling apples in the street and became a
millionaire" story. I won't call it quite a myth but it may qualify for
exaggeration. Secretly making medicines in his home? With no regulation,
no approval? If this is true, he is a criminal, since medication is
strictly regulated in this country (except vitamins and supplements, but
you all know that). I think if you investigated the story you'd see a lot
of fortune telling style ambiguities.
>
>
>
> M.B. You do have a good point about the funding for the CDC being cut. I
am sure
> that, like most people, they do the best with what they have.
>
> My point, though, was more to say that if we are really going to do this
> governmental health thing, then why don't we really do it and do it so it
works?
> Coordinate it, give them the tools to make it work and all of that.
Or,
> if we are not, then let's really not...
>
>
>
> A.A. What is a governmental health thing?
>
>
> Andy Amago
>
>
>
>
> Dreaming about making $$ in pharmeucetical sales,
> "Better Living Through Chemistry" Marlena in Missouri
>
>
>
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