[lit-ideas] Re: U.S. superlatives (was Victor Hanson in Iraq)
- From: JimKandJulieB@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2006 12:00:27 EST
Reading this thread I'm struck by how black and white the perspectives
offered are. As though the list itself is a party of various brands of
extremists. Surely we could all agree that the global situation is more
highly
nuanced. The lack of acknowledging a middle ground, a grey area, where all
those
who participate have some perspectives in common, and some things which can
inform the perspective of others, appears to lead the list into the same sort
of boxing match as the geo-political issues the list is parleying. Because
we are passionate about our beliefs and perspectives, it seems to deteriorate
into a "I'm wrong, you're right, you're dumb, I'm smart, you're rich I'm
poor, you haven't read what I've read, you haven't read what I've written and
if
you have you just don't get it, if you don't agree with me it means I have to
speak more slowly and loudly -- if you don't agree with me it's obvious you
haven't understood me" converse. I'm not a "why can't we just get along"
kinda person. But I am a "there really IS dignity and wonder in difference"
kind. If half the energy were spent on learning and celebrating the
uniqueness
of Others, I suspect there would be far less verbal blood-letting, never mind
the physical blood-letting of the human species.
Julie Krueger
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(was Victor Hanson in Iraq) Date: 12/15/2006 1:20:27 A.M. Central Standard
Time From: _lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx (mailto:lawrencehelm@xxxxxxxxxxxx)
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Irene so aptly illustrates what it is I have against the Left that I must
add one more note. She can’t let a compliment in favor of the US stand;
well
neither can Andreas, Simon, etc., etc. To praise America is well,
unpatriotic and ought to be banned. People ought to know better than to
praise
America. It’s, It’s, Neocon! And who can praise Liberal Democracy!
Liberal-Democracy is any fool can plainly see is evil. We Leftists took the
name
Liberal and by changing only a few letters have advanced it to its rightful,
er,
leftful place. The very idea that Democracy might be on the march is an empty
Neocon slogan. And all those other Neocons like Jefferson, Washington,
Adams, etc, should be cleansed from our history books. Democracy,
Shlemocracy!
And why won’t you Neocons see that when you attack an enemy you cause that
enemy to kill himself, er, kill his neighbors and all those innocent
bystanders. You blindly went into Iraq thinking everything was going to be
hunky
dory, but looked what happened. Al Quaeda killed Iraqis trying to vote.
Sunnis
killed Shiites trying to get a civil war going and perhaps get back in
power, and now the Shiites are returning the favor; so it’s all Americas
fault.
America clearly caused all those Iraqis to kill each other. Only a Neocon
can’
t see that. If George Bush hadn’t stolen the election, if Al Gore had been
elected president then all those 500,000 innocent Iraqi dissidents,
guerillas, Jihadists and former Baathists would still be alive. So the real
guilt
lies with those Neocons who voted for George Bush and the Supreme Court which
stole the election from the rightful president Al Gore. What a far far
better, and if the truth were known amusing, place America and the world would
be
with Al Gore as president.
You Neocons should be ashamed of yourselves for forcing all those Iraqis to
kill each other! Shame! Shame!
Lawrence
Irene wrote: “I don't read neocon pie in the sky crap. I don't pay
attention to empty slogans like democracy is on the march, etc. etc. If you
don't
like the facts, ignore them. I stand by my duh, which is those people would
still be alive if we hadn't invaded. We also wouldn't be looking at the
prospect of a caliphate that we weren't looking at 4 years ago. Our powers
that
be are in China looking for them to give us economic concessions, not the
other way around. How much has happened in four little years.”
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