Lawrence Helm wrote: "Gauchet in The Disenchantment of the World, takes the influence further than you do." My list wasn't intended to be exhaustive. Lawrence continues: "Are there any Christian benevolences that the State hasn't taken over?" At least one, and perhaps the most important one. It is also one that such diverse modern non-religious thinkers as Jurgen Habermas and Derrida acknowledge is necessary but missing. Further, it is missing because it must be missing. What liberal democracy could not and cannot borrow from Christianity is the benevolence of hope. Sincerely, Phil Enns Glen Haven, NS ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html