[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
- From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:45:37 -0500
I am happy to hear that. That's more than I can say for our most prominent gay
man in our Congress.
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 2:36 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
>My worries about Mr. Alli is for his life,
I realised that, but that is not threatened (has not been threatened).
His company names are known, his office's location is known, the House of Lords
is pretty visible, his partner's name is known. He has not been threatened.
--- On Sun, 23/1/11, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Sunday, 23 January, 2011, 18:49
Judy: Yes Waheed Alli is i think great.
My worries about Mr. Alli is for his life, not for his personal
happiness or political success.
Judy:Keith Ellison and Andre Carson -- both D.
OK, now that I know this, what ought I to do with it? I know you are
a political scientist and are expert in English and US political science.
However, I know that it makes no difference to me who they are, but I am glad
that there are at least a handful of Muslims in the Congress, as there are
gays, but otherwise it's useless knowledge.
The reason is that if one writes a letter, calls or used the web to
communicate with them, they will send back a response that they do not deal
with people out of their district. An exception is if they are thinking of
running for president. Which is why I never looked up their names, though I
knew they were there.
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 6:08 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
Yes Waheed Alli is i think great.
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But I worry for him and all like him.
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He's doing just fine! Really. From working class early
school leaver to multimillionaire, high profile, high profile gay Muslim. He
isn't estranged from his, half Muslim, half-Hindu, family. Young gay Muslims
(and non-Muslim South Asian gay men|) do face problems here, certainly, the
Albert Kennedy Trust supports them (as it does all young GLBT people), and
there are support groups, and no doubt the general climate here helps; but yes
it's rough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
As regards the details of the various legal measures you cite
concerning gays, I am truly impressed. And ashamed that we don't have it here.
Reason? Refer to my previous e-mail concerning religions. In our case it's
assorted Christians.
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I wasn't trying to put the US down. Some US states have full
gay marriage, it's just my hunch that we'll have it fairly soon. But certainly
there's more resistance there to full gay rights, our antidiscrimination laws
are far more inclusive, and strong.
>>>>>>>>>>
We also have Muslim legislators in the Congress. I believe
there are two.
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Keith Ellison and Andre Carson -- both D. We have 8 Muslim
MPs. I don't know how many Muslims are in the Lords. Sayeeda Warsi may be the
only Muslim in the government now.
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 21:57
Judy,
I read this e-mail after I responded to the other one you
sent. I think this is interesting and wonderful. I commend
Baron Alli (Waheed Alli), for what he has done. I wish
him a long life. But I worry for him and all like him.
As regards the details of the various legal measures you
cite concerning gays, I am truly impressed. And ashamed that we don't have it
here. Reason? Refer to my previous e-mail concerning religions. In our case
it's assorted Christians.
We also have Muslim legislators in the Congress. I believe
there are two.
Veronica Caley
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:04 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
by the way, we have gay civil partnerships
hereabouts. I think gay marriages will come soon, meanwhile, very very soon,
they will be celebrated in religious buildings and incorporate religious
language, thanks to an amendment proposed by our first openly gay peer, Baron
Alli (Waheed Alli), Muslim.
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Alli has used his political position to argue for
gay rights. He spearheaded the campaign to repeal Section 28.[8] He advocated
lowering the age of consent for homosexuals from 18 to 16, equal to
heterosexuals; this eventually became law as the Sexual Offences (Amendment)
Act 2000. It was during a heated exchange with conservative opponents, led by
Baroness Young, that he informed his fellow peers that he was gay. In April
1999, he said in a speech, "I have never been confused about my sexuality. I
have been confused about the way I am treated as a result of it. The only
confusion lies in the prejudice shown, some of it tonight [i.e. in the House],
and much of it enshrined in the law."[4]
He acted as Tony Blair's representative in the
House of Lords in the passage of the Civil Partnership Act 2004, giving
same-sex couples in the United Kingdom the ability to enter into civil
partnerships with equal rights and responsibilities to civil marriage[citation
needed]. In 2009, he spearheaded an effort to repeal clauses in the Civil
Partnerships Act which prohibited religious institutions from hosting civil
partnerships on their premises. This campaign culminated in a bipartisan
amendment, which became part of the Equality Act 2010[9]. He is one of very few
openly gay Muslim figures in public life anywhere in the world, along with Pav
Akhtar, also a Labour politician based in London.
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--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Judith Evans
<judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 15:48
>>>>>>>>>>
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am
Not A Muslim." Among the things I learned: that people who call the prophet a
pedophile do so because he married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was
a bandit who shared the spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them
off the land as early as the seventh century.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
did you buy the book? Wikipedia will tell you
about Muhammad's wives, including, of course, Aisha, as perfectly or
imperfectly as it did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
that he evidently was a bandit who shared the
spoils
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he should have kept the spoils, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>
and that he was killing Jews or driving them
off the land as early as the seventh century.
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..gosh, that was early, we waited till the
twelfth century....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't
seen it, two recommendations: the Christian method is in a film called "Zorba
the Greek." The Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The
Story of Soraya M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the
film. Also that you don't eat before doing so.
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*I* recommend you join the campaigns against
stonings in Iran -- but would like you also to campaign against all capital
punishment; thank you
(and FGM.)
--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Veronica Caley
<molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice
(Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 14:53
The BBC America had a discussion about this
lady and her comments. The one I liked the best was the man who said that she
ought not to have spoken about anti-Muslim prejudice. Given her position, she
ought to have spoken out about how one of the causes of prejudice against
Muslims is their refusal to except Western secular values. His contention,
familiar to us all, that we all accept people making fun of, and disrespecting
the religion of, anyone and everyone. Muslims generally won't accept this.
The performer M&M was to perform in Detroit a
few years ago. Because of the vulgarity, the city forbid it. He sued, won and
the city had to pay $300,000 restitution. The reaction of a very moderate imam
of a mosque near Detroit was: the show is shameful, the city out to have
prohibited it and no fine ought to have been levied.
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am
Not A Muslim." Among the things I learned: that people who call the prophet a
pedophile do so because he married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was
a bandit who shared the spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them
off the land as early as the seventh century.
Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't
seen it, two recommendations: the Christian method is in a film called "Zorba
the Greek." The Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The
Story of Soraya M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the
film. Also that you don't eat before doing so.
Currently, there is a concern in Western
countries that some Muslims are taking daughters to the home country for
circumcision and early marriage. I have read about this issue being of concern
in the U.S. and Canada
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From: Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:42 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice
(Judy?)
I haven't read the speech, I did know about it.
"Baroness Warsi will say anti-Muslim prejudice
is now seen by many Britons as normal and uncontroversial"
I'd say there's a lot of truth in this, I'd
also say Sayeeda Warsi is not likely to exaggerate the extent and degree of
prejudice. Just one thing
"She told the 2009 Conservative Party
conference that anti-Muslim hatred had become Britain's last socially
acceptable form of bigotry"
There's another one, anti-gypsy prejudice.
I have no idea how all this compares with the US
btw sorry distracted by some terrific breaking
news, the Labour Shadow Chancellor's resigned and Ed Balls, who should have got
the job in the first place, is taking over. Prepare to see Tory ministers
dismembered!!!!
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Thu, 20/1/11, Julie C
<juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Julie C <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, 20 January, 2011, 17:09
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12235237
Reactions anyone? Judy?
Julie Krueger
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