[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
- From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 23:08:59 +0000 (GMT)
Yes Waheed Alli is i think great.
>>>>>>>
But I worry for him and all like him.
<<<<<<<
He's doing just fine! Really. From working class early school leaver to
multimillionaire, high profile, high profile gay Muslim. He isn't estranged
from his, half Muslim, half-Hindu, family. Young gay Muslims (and non-Muslim
South Asian gay men|) do face problems here, certainly, the Albert Kennedy
Trust supports them (as it does all young GLBT people), and there are support
groups, and no doubt the general climate here helps; but yes it's rough.
>>>>>>>>>>>
As regards the details of the various legal measures you cite concerning
gays, I am truly impressed. And ashamed that we don't have it here.
Reason? Refer to my previous e-mail concerning religions. In our
case it's assorted Christians.
<<<<<<<<<<
I wasn't trying to put the US down. Some US states have full gay marriage, it's
just my hunch that we'll have it fairly soon. But certainly there's more
resistance there to full gay rights, our antidiscrimination laws are far more
inclusive, and strong.
>>>>>>>>>>
We also have Muslim legislators in the Congress. I believe there are
two.
<<<<<<<<<<
Keith Ellison and Andre Carson -- both D. We have 8 Muslim MPs. I don't know
how many Muslims are in the Lords. Sayeeda Warsi may be the only Muslim in the
government now.
Judy Evans, Cardiff
--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 21:57
Judy,
I read this e-mail after I responded to the other one you sent. I
think this is interesting and wonderful. I commend
Baron Alli (Waheed Alli), for what he has done. I wish him a
long life. But I worry for him and all like him.
As regards the details of the various legal measures you cite concerning
gays, I am truly impressed. And ashamed that we don't have it here.
Reason? Refer to my previous e-mail concerning religions. In our
case it's assorted Christians.
We also have Muslim legislators in the Congress. I believe there are
two.
Veronica Caley
----- Original Message -----
From:
Judith Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 11:04
AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice
(Judy?)
by the way, we have gay civil partnerships
hereabouts. I think gay marriages will come soon, meanwhile, very
very soon, they will be celebrated in religious buildings and
incorporate religious language, thanks to an amendment proposed by our
first openly gay peer, Baron Alli (Waheed Alli),
Muslim.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Alli has used his political position to argue for gay rights. He
spearheaded the campaign to repeal Section 28.[8]
He advocated lowering the age of consent
for homosexuals from 18 to 16, equal to heterosexuals; this eventually
became law as the Sexual
Offences (Amendment) Act 2000. It was during a heated exchange with
conservative opponents, led by Baroness
Young, that he informed his fellow peers that he was gay. In April
1999, he said in a speech, "I have never been confused about my
sexuality. I have been confused about the way I am treated as a result
of it. The only confusion lies in the prejudice shown, some of it
tonight [i.e. in the House], and much of it enshrined in the law."[4]
He acted as Tony Blair's representative in the House of Lords in the
passage of the Civil
Partnership Act 2004, giving same-sex couples in the United Kingdom
the ability to enter into civil
partnerships with equal rights and responsibilities to civil
marriage[citation
needed]. In 2009, he spearheaded an effort to repeal
clauses in the Civil Partnerships Act which prohibited religious
institutions from hosting civil partnerships on their premises. This
campaign culminated in a bipartisan amendment, which became part of the
Equality Act 2010[9].
He is one of very few openly gay
Muslim figures in public life anywhere in the world, along with Pav
Akhtar, also a Labour politician based in London.
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On Fri, 21/1/11, Judith Evans
<judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:
[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To:
lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011,
15:48
>>>>>>>>>>
I
recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A Muslim."
Among the things I learned: that people who call the prophet a
pedophile do so because he married a nine year old girl, that
he
evidently was a bandit who shared the spoils, and that he was
killing Jews or driving them off the land as early as the
seventh
century.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
did
you buy the book? Wikipedia will tell you about Muhammad's
wives, including, of course, Aisha, as perfectly or imperfectly
as it
did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
that
he evidently was a bandit who shared the
spoils
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
he
should have kept the spoils, I
guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>
and
that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as early
as the seventh
century.
<<<<<<<<<<<<
..gosh,
that was early, we waited till the twelfth
century....
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Re
Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two
recommendations: the Christian method is in a film called
"Zorba the Greek." The Muslim version, in a film made by
an Iranian, is called, "The Story of Soraya M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the
film. Also that you don't eat before doing
so.<<<<<<<<<
*I*
recommend you join the campaigns against stonings in Iran --
but
would like you also to campaign against all capital punishment;
thank you
(and FGM.)
--- On Fri, 21/1/11,
Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:
[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To:
lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011,
14:53
The BBC America had a discussion about this lady and her
comments. The one I liked the best was the man who said
that she ought not to have spoken about anti-Muslim
prejudice. Given her position, she ought to have spoken
out about how one of the causes of prejudice against Muslims
is their refusal to except Western secular values. His
contention, familiar to us all, that we all accept people
making fun of, and disrespecting the religion of, anyone and
everyone. Muslims generally won't accept this.
The performer M&M was to perform in Detroit a few
years ago. Because of the vulgarity, the city forbid
it. He sued, won and the city had to pay $300,000
restitution. The reaction of a very moderate imam
of a mosque near Detroit was: the show is shameful, the city
out to have prohibited it and no fine ought to have been
levied.
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A
Muslim." Among the things I learned: that people who
call the prophet a pedophile do so because he married a nine
year old girl, that he evidently was a bandit who shared the
spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the
land as early as the seventh century.
Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two
recommendations: the Christian method is in a film
called "Zorba the Greek." The Muslim version, in a
film made by an Iranian, is called, "The Story of Soraya
M"
Zorba is also a book. I recommend you see the
film. Also that you don't eat before doing so.
Currently, there is a concern in Western countries that
some Muslims are taking daughters to the home country for
circumcision and early marriage. I have read about this
issue being of concern in the U.S. and Canada
Veronica
----- Original Message -----
From:
Judith
Evans
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, January
20, 2011 12:42 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas]
Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
I haven't read the speech, I did know
about it.
"Baroness Warsi will say anti-Muslim
prejudice is now seen by many Britons as normal and
uncontroversial"
I'd say there's a lot of
truth in this, I'd also say Sayeeda Warsi is not
likely to exaggerate the extent and degree of
prejudice. Just one thing
"She told the 2009
Conservative Party conference that anti-Muslim hatred
had become Britain's last socially acceptable form of
bigotry"
There's another one, anti-gypsy
prejudice.
I have no idea how all this compares
with the US
btw sorry distracted by some
terrific breaking news, the Labour Shadow
Chancellor's
resigned and Ed Balls, who should have got the job in
the first place, is taking over. Prepare to see
Tory ministers dismembered!!!!
Judy Evans,
Cardiff
--- On Thu, 20/1/11, Julie C
<juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
From:
Julie C <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject:
[lit-ideas] Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To:
lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, 20
January, 2011, 17:09
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anyone? Judy?
Julie
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