[lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)

by the way, we have gay civil partnerships hereabouts.  I think gay marriages 
will come soon, meanwhile, very very soon, they will be celebrated in religious 
buildings and incorporate religious language, thanks to an amendment proposed 
by our first openly gay peer, Baron Alli (Waheed Alli), Muslim.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Alli has used his political position to argue for gay rights. He spearheaded 
the campaign to repeal Section 28.[8] He advocated lowering the age of consent 
for homosexuals from 18 to 16, equal to heterosexuals; this eventually became 
law as the Sexual Offences (Amendment) Act 2000. It was during a heated 
exchange with conservative opponents, led by Baroness Young,
 that he informed his fellow peers that he was gay. In April 1999, he 
said in a speech, "I have never been confused about my sexuality. I have
 been confused about the way I am treated as a result of it. The only 
confusion lies in the prejudice shown, some of it tonight [i.e. in the 
House], and much of it enshrined in the law."[4]
He acted as Tony Blair's representative in the House of Lords in the passage of 
the Civil Partnership Act 2004, giving same-sex couples in the United Kingdom 
the ability to enter into civil partnerships with equal rights and 
responsibilities to civil marriage[citation needed].
 In 2009, he spearheaded an effort to repeal clauses in the Civil 
Partnerships Act which prohibited religious institutions from hosting 
civil partnerships on their premises. This campaign culminated in a 
bipartisan amendment, which became part of the Equality Act 2010[9]. He is one 
of very few openly gay Muslim figures in public life anywhere in the world, 
along with Pav Akhtar, also a Labour politician based in London.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<


--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Judith Evans <judithevans001@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 15:48

>>>>>>>>>>
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A Muslim."  Among the 
things I learned: that people who call the prophet a pedophile do so because he 
married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was a bandit who shared the 
spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as early as 
the seventh century.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

did you buy the book?  Wikipedia will tell you about Muhammad's wives, 
including, of course, Aisha, as perfectly or imperfectly as it did.

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that he evidently was a bandit who shared the 
spoils
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he should have kept the spoils, I guess

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 and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as early as 
the seventh century.
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..gosh, that was early, we waited till the twelfth century....

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Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two recommendations: 
the Christian method is in a film called  "Zorba the Greek."  The 
Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The Story of Soraya 
M"
Zorba is also a book.  I recommend you see the film.  Also that 
you don't eat before doing so.<<<<<<<<<

*I* recommend you join the campaigns against stonings in Iran -- but would like 
you also to campaign against all capital punishment; thank you

(and FGM.)

 




--- On Fri, 21/1/11, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Friday, 21 January, 2011, 14:53



 
 

The BBC America had a discussion about this lady and her comments.  
The one I liked the best was the man who said that she ought not to have spoken 
about anti-Muslim prejudice.  Given her position, she ought to have spoken 
out about how one of the causes of prejudice against Muslims is their refusal 
to 
except Western secular values.  His contention, familiar to us all, that we 
all accept people making fun of, and disrespecting the religion of, anyone 
and everyone.  Muslims generally won't accept this.
 
The performer M&M was to perform in Detroit a few years ago.  
Because of the vulgarity, the city forbid it.  He sued, won and the city 
had to pay $300,000 restitution.  The reaction of a very moderate 
imam  of a mosque near Detroit was: the show is shameful, the city out to 
have prohibited it and no fine ought to have been levied.
 
I recently finished a book called, "Why I Am Not A Muslim."  Among the 
things I learned: that people who call the prophet a pedophile do so because he 
married a nine year old girl, that he evidently was a bandit who shared the 
spoils, and that he was killing Jews or driving them off the land as early as 
the seventh century.
 
Re Eric's comment on stoning, if you haven't seen it, two recommendations: 
the Christian method is in a film called  "Zorba the Greek."  The 
Muslim version, in a film made by an Iranian, is called, "The Story of Soraya 
M"
Zorba is also a book.  I recommend you see the film.  Also that 
you don't eat before doing so.
 
Currently, there is a concern in Western countries that some Muslims are 
taking daughters to the home country for circumcision and early marriage.  
I have read about this issue being of concern in the U.S. and Canada
 
Veronica
 
 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: 
  Judith Evans 
  To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 12:42 
  PM
  Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Muslim Prejudice 
  (Judy?)
  

  
    
    
      I haven't read the speech, I did know about it. 
        

"Baroness Warsi will say anti-Muslim prejudice is now seen by 
        many Britons as normal and uncontroversial"


I'd say there's a 
        lot of truth in this, I'd also say Sayeeda Warsi is not likely to 
        exaggerate the extent and degree of prejudice. Just one 
        thing

"She told the 2009 Conservative Party conference that 
        anti-Muslim hatred had become Britain's last socially acceptable form 
of 
        bigotry"

There's another one, anti-gypsy prejudice.

I have 
        no idea how all this compares with the US

btw sorry distracted by 
        some terrific breaking news, the Labour Shadow Chancellor's resigned 
and 
        Ed Balls, who should have got the job in the first place, is taking 
        over.  Prepare to see Tory ministers dismembered!!!!

Judy 
        Evans, Cardiff

--- On Thu, 20/1/11, Julie C 
        <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

        
From: 
          Julie C <juliereneb@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [lit-ideas] Muslim 
          Prejudice (Judy?)
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thursday, 20 
          January, 2011, 17:09


          
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          anyone?  Judy?
          

Julie 
      Krueger








      


      

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