As to Andy's comments:
> Not inexperienced is sometimes known as sexual abuse of children,
It's also sometimes (and far more commonly) known as "not inexperienced". I dare say most college age women have some experience with sexual pleasure. A sin, I know. And get this, not all children are sexually abused. I know it will come as a shock to Andy, who has never raised a child, but in fact most children are not sexually abused.
A.A. Sexual pleasure with an older man as opposed to someone her own age? You have to be kidding. That's a clear power differential that speaks for itself I think, but, of course, not to you. It must be nice to live in a world where things just happen. Not happen for a reason, but just happen.
> Psychohistorically it's suggested that countries have "maturity levels".
Suggested by whom? Do you seriously believe that China lacks maturity?
A.A. By psychohistorians, but you don't believe in the unconscious, so why are you bothering me? In any case, what do you mean by "China"? China has 1.3 billion people in it. Women were treated literally (literally) like nonentities before Mao made everyone equal, which worked about as well as emancipating the slaves here. There's still much hatred against women in China. So, yes, the maturity level there is not high generally speaking, or you can explain to me why women need to be hated. Iris Chang talked about the things she saw done to women in the provinces that can't be repeated on this list. Women in China's cities are divorcing men like crazy and who can blame them?
Macho cultures are generally immature. Men who beat women are immature. Women who hit men are immature. Boys are taught to be men by being beaten (the Boy Named Sue), so they will beat those smaller than themselves. That's called macho. Machismo is a mask. Mexico is a macho culture, so yes, generally, they're less mature than a nonmacho culture. Likewise Islamic cultures where women are obsessed over, "protected", which is to say, kept stuck to the soles of men's shoes, are very immature. Immaturity is accompanied by a lot of anger; what was the reaction to the cartoons? Western cultures are somewhat more mature to the extent that there is more equality among sexes, but Western cultures did the schoolyard counterpart to the Islam rage by goading it. We here in the U.S. took a huge step backwards with the invasion of Iraq, but generally we treat children better, and women are now mostly equal, which means we are more mature as a culture, yes. As we grow up we're taught that we don't fight to solve problems (even as we're beaten in the teaching), but how are we today solving problems? By declaring war. So, the world as a very, very long way to go in the maturation process, but at least we've made some progress here by recognizing child abuse as bad instead of the normal it's been for most of history and still is in much if not most of the world.
> Clearly those who need disparities and power differentials in marriages are not at the high end of maturity.
Clearly? I envy Andy the clarity of his thinking.
A.A. Someone who does no thinking would be envious, no surprise there.
