[lit-ideas] Re: Amis Antithesis
- From: "Judith Evans" <judithevans1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 18:33:22 +0100
STOP PRESS -- reply to Lawrence below, written before I saw this
-- Bushco have stepped back from the brink of redefining torture:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/20/washington/20detain.html
LH>I can see that you know what is being debated, but as of yesterday
LH> those facts hadn't been disclosed to the rest of us.
in the Land of the Free, Lawrence? Really?
actually a lot of Americans do seem to know (note to "liberals":
my sources for these links would like you to call your reps
in Congress; thank you)
http://balkin.blogspot.com/WarnerMcCainGrahamFINAL.pdf
http://balkin.blogspot.com/Bush.Military.Commissions.Bill.pdf
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/files/powellvessey_letters.pdf
http://www.humanrightsfirst.info/pdf/06913-etn-military-let-ca3.pdf
LH: I want our government to do whatever is necessary to protect our citizens
you would. Have you read _The Plot Against America_? Did you know
a Hasidic Jew was thrown off a plane in the US for suspicious behaviour
(praying)?
LH>I would be more impressed with Leftists' olfactory sensibilities
LH> if they could sense the stink emanating from militant Islam,
LH>but that seems to be beyond their capabilities.
what you mean is, you don't read or if you do, you don't listen.
(Tony
Blair a "Leftist"? well to be fair, by US Republican standards, in some
ways, he is. The UK Attorney General a Leftist? The Law Lords of
the UK, Leftists?)
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From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:11 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Amis Antithesis
JE: Bushco want to redefine torture as "not anything they do", to escape
implications of the US Supreme Court's judgment. I am aware of this "debate",
Lawrence. It has made your country stink even in the eyes of Tony Blair
LH: I want our government to do whatever is necessary to protect our
citizens. I can see that you know what is being debated, but as of yesterday
those facts hadn't been disclosed to the rest of us. But whatever we are doing
it doesn't compare to what our enemy is doing with prisoners. So whatever is
being debated, we shouldn't lose sight of the requirement that we need the
tools to protect our citizens.
I would be more impressed with Leftists' olfactory sensibilities if they
could sense the stink emanating from militant Islam, but that seems to be
beyond their capabilities.
Lawrence
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Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:55 AM
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Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Amis Antithesis
LH>Normal Americans, for the non-sentient, are Americans who
LH> don't want to blow up other Americans.
and of course, normal non-Americans are so defined, yes? The
one-sided US/UK extradition treaty was justified by the US as
being of use in cases of alleged terrorism. But it has been used
by the US against financiers accused of, in effect, insider trading,
and against a young hacker. The latter *might* receive a
brief prison sentence here, he may face a sentence of 50 years
in the US. *And all the US has to do is say it has a case, it does
not have to **demonstrate** that it has a case.*
Why "one-sided"? Because the US has not ratified the treaty, so,
only UK citizens are subject to it. *Of course*.
LH>I looked all the way through my inbox for 9-18 & didn't find the article
you refer to.
that was a typo -- sorry -- I meant Common Article 3
LH>There is a debate about the interpretation of Article 3 of the Geneva
Convention.
Bushco want to redefine torture as "not anything they do", to escape
implications of the US Supreme Court's judgement. I am aware of this
"debate",
Lawrence. It has made your country stink even in the eyes of Tony Blair
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