[LRflex] Re: (LRflex) Shopping Frustration

Hi Aram,
   I hear you on the 'What's a Cam?' comment! I sorted out the lack of 
mechanical supportive technology when I migrated my M42 Lens to my 20D. The 
extra steps and rig-a-ma-role never bothered me much, it's still a lot simpler 
than a View Camera's esoteric processes! After figuring out how to be fluent 
with one of those, I ain't gonna let some digital analogue mixed marriage stop 
me! 
   To All Listers: Is there appreciable optical differences between, for 
instance, a 1 cam Summicron 50 f2 and a late model rom/3cammer of the same 
lens? On FredMiranda and A Canon forum I received opinions steering me to late 
model lenses of even basic primes, is that a bit of LeicaSnobbery or spilting 
hairs on how big a bill board one can print from particular generations of lens?

Richard




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From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: leica reflex freelists <leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 4:28:57 PM
Subject: [LRflex] Re: (LRflex) Shopping Frustration

 Hi Richard.  If you are just going to slap that lens on a Canon, then I don't 
think it would make any differences if it were 1 cam, 2 cam, 3 cam, ROM or no 
cam.  Canon says "What's a cam, anyway?"
 
Aram
 
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 Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:44:58 -0700
To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: dsy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [LRflex] Re: (LRflex) Shopping Frustration

Richard  wrote:


Hello List,
>   my name's Richard and I'm still new here, but it seems like a nice group of 
> users here. I have received some nice comments about the Image I posted a 
> link to on the list to an image I shot with my Zeiss Pancolar on my 20D. 
> (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3267824103_9f55579064_b.jpg) Since I'm 
> not yet a member of the "R" ownership club as of yet, I kind of felt a need 
> to establish having some Chops as a Photographer if I'm going to be posting 
> around these parts. 
>   As for "Shopping Frustration": I simply want to ask about any tips or info 
> a list member might be able to pass along because, so far, the only thing 
> I've been able to get with months of searching eBay, the 'Net, and Locally, 
> for 'R' equipment is a terrible case of Shoppers Frustration. Everything I 
> encounter seems to be outlandishly expensive limited editions, collectors 
> items, and f0.0 Niche Lenses on the top end and the bottom end are all pricey 
> near mint condition stuff commanding premium prices. Where the heck can I 
> find the stuff someone's actually USED, that has wear on the outside, 
> cleaning marks and (Heaven Forbid!) even a scratch in the coating. The "3 
> Cam" & ROM Lenses (?did I say that right?) might be the latest greatest, I 
> surmise, but there must be something usable about those  1 cam or 2 cam 
> lenses, too, isn't there? I'm willing to try em! Sigh. 

Hi Richard! 

One cam lenses are only useable on the original Leicaflex ... that is why they 
appear on the market at quite low prices.  Two cam lenses can be used on the 
Leicaflex and the Leicaflex SL and SL2 cameras.  But, to use the newer R3, R4, 
R4s, R5, RE, R6, R6.2, R7, R8 or R9, you will need either 3 cam or "3rd cam 
only" lenses.  BTW: "3rd cam only" and the newest ROM lenses are  not common 
and can only be used on the "R" series, whereas 3 cam lenses can be used on any 
Leica Reflex, from the original "flex", onwards.  Because of their greater 
versatility, they command higher prices for any given level on condition.

For more on this, see:

http://www.photoethnography.com/ClassicCameras/index-frameset.html?Lens-R.html~mainFrame

Doug Herr has offered some Leicaflex SL's in working but not pristine 
condition, lately, on our Friday for Sale days, at some very reasonable prices. 
 Recently, Aram sold an R4 though this list, at, IIRC, $200, in pretty decent 
shape.  I even considered buying it!

You might wish to place a Wanted To Buy note, on Friday, as well, for others 
may have older, unused gear that you might convince them to part with.

However, be warned that Leica gear commands a higher price in the market place, 
even for beaters, than most brands.  The trick is to be patient.  The right 
gear, at the right price (or close to it) will come along, eventually. 

Meanwhile, nobody is going to throw you off this list because you don't have 
the gear.  This is a list "for those who own, or wished they owned" Leica 
Reflex gear.  It is the love of the stuff, not the ownership of it, which binds 
us all together.

Cheers!


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David Young
Logan Lake, BC

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