[LRflex] Re: (LRflex) Shopping Frustration

Hello Alex,
   thanks for your compliment on the image I posted. Welcome to the slr club! 
and remember that no one ever got to be an expert without first being a Newbie! 
Relish those newbie mistakes for quite often the best learned lessons are found 
in figuring out where things went wrong rather than pondering why something 
went right. Stumbles and misteps seem to focus the mind so much more 
beautifully!
   You inquired about what my budget might be for picking up some 'R' equipment 
in order to help the discussion about the purchasing challenges I've been 
encountering. It's actually a pretty good question and the only pretty good 
answer I have is that it depends on what I'd be buying! If it's just a single 
lens I would want to keep it under a few hundred u.s. dollars depending on 
which lens it was and it's condition. If it's a broader purchase with a body 
and an extra lens or two I might spend few times as much. There are a lot of 
if's - depends on - and maybe's wrapped up in the process, I must admit. Also 
the less spent on item 'a' might allow adding an item 'b' or even a 'c' to my 
purchases. 
   My shopping list consists of hoping to own a Wide Angle, a Standard, OR a 
Short Tele in the near term that I can use on my dSLR. If it's just one lens I 
end up acquiring, so be it. I'd certainly be open to getting more than one lens 
or a body/lens combo or a zoom or a longer telephoto lens as long as it's a 
purchase that helps spark and fan my love and enjoyment of image making. My 
photography helps nourish my soul in difficult times and anything I buy is 
ultimately just a tool to help in navigating a tricky passage through rocky 
waters.

Was my answer to much of a cop out?

Richard
   
  



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Life is hard...but I just take it one photograph at a time.
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"You miss 100% of the shots you never take" Wayne Gretzky 
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From: Axel Collier <axel.collier@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: leicareflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 6:40:21 PM
Subject: [LRflex] Re: (LRflex) Shopping Frustration

  
Hi
I own a R3 and an angenieux zoom that my father gave me a 
few months ago. I fell in love with it and use it often and next to some Nikon 
stuff i bought last christmas as a present for myself ;-) I like the Nikon 
stuff 
also, I am not a fanatic.I am a newbee. But I bought a F80 and a 70-300G lens 
for 200 euros all in and i have a lot of fun with it. The lens has it 
limitations as you will all know, I guess.
So, I wonder what your budget is, which is none of my 
bussiness but it could help in this discussion. 
A nice R3 for example could be had for 100 Euros on Ebay. 
All you need is some patience. You don't have to sell your car to buy a R4 or 
R5 
neither. 
A 24 or 28mm Elmarit can be had for some 300 euros. And a 
35mm or 50mm for even less. The price of the 135mm and 180mm Elmarit is 
reasonable as well. I know this because I wanted to buy one or two R-lenses 
myself and because my budget is limited too. That is why i look at ebay very 
often ... that is : every day. It think now it is possible to pay not 
(much) more for it than for Nikon stuff . 
My impression is that it is possible to own R-lenses IF 
you stay away from some very special lenses like the 80mm Summilux or the apo 
100mm and the 90mm summicron asph.And maybe the 280mm apo lenses 
...
One day I will buy one of these lenses, but first i 
want to know better what lens that would make me the most happy. That means i 
have to take more pictures. Which is fun.
greetings, and by the way, i like this users group and the 
picture of Richard.
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Richard Ward 
>To: LeicaReflex@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 7:46 
>  AM
>Subject: [LRflex] (LRflex) Shopping 
>  Frustration
>
>
>Hello 
>  List,
>   my name's Richard and I'm still new here, but it 
>  seems like a nice group of users here. I have received some nice comments 
>  about the Image I posted a link to on the list to an image I shot with my 
>  Zeiss Pancolar on my 20D. 
> (http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3522/3267824103_9f55579064_b.jpg) 
>  Since I'm not yet a member of the "R" ownership club as of yet, I kind of 
> felt 
>  a need to establish having some Chops as a Photographer if I'm going to be 
>  posting around these parts. 
>   As for "Shopping 
>  Frustration": I simply want to ask about any tips or info a list member 
> might 
>  be able to pass along because, so far, the only thing I've been able to get 
>  with months of searching eBay, the 'Net, and Locally, for 'R' equipment is a 
>  terrible case of Shoppers Frustration. Everything I encounter seems to be 
>  outlandishly expensive limited editions, collectors items, and f0.0 Niche 
>  Lenses on the top end and the bottom end are all pricey near mint condition 
>  stuff commanding premium prices. Where the heck can I find the stuff 
> someone's 
>  actually USED, that has wear on the outside, cleaning marks and (Heaven 
>  Forbid!) even a scratch in the coating. The "3 Cam" & ROM Lenses (?did I 
>  say that right?) might be the latest greatest, I surmise, but there must be 
>  something usable about those  1 cam or 2 cam lenses, too, isn't there? 
>  I'm willing to try em! Sigh. 
>   I will admit my budget is 
>  narrower than I would prefer to pick up an R lens or two, but it is 'enough' 
>  and if I'm willing to accept cosmetic conditions and even potential cla 
>  issues, it seems rather ___<insert cursing adjective>___ that I'm not 
>  encountering stuff like that out in the marketplace. 
>   Thanks 
>  for letting me Vent LRflex members. I'll find something to acquire. 
>  Imagemaking has always been an expression of my heart and quite rarely a 
>  source of income. Since becoming disabled, it's become an especially 
> treasured 
>  activity because now that it isn't a casual endeavour anymore, just coming 
>  away with snapshots isn't very fulfilling.  :-) 
>   
> 
>Sincerely
>Richard W.
>
>West Michigan, USA
>
>   
> 
>
>
>________________________________
>
>
>Life is hard...but I just take it one photograph at a 
>  time.
>~•~
>"You miss 100% of the shots you never take" Wayne Gretzky 
> 
>~•~
>In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows or 
>  Gates?
>~•~ 
>It's okay to be stupid. Just don't be gung-ho about 
>  it.
>________________________________
> 
>
>
>

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