RE: JFW on a thumb drive

Oh god not this again.  Look it is very simple.  Microsoft does have vcm
vcm allows for video chaining.  Now each program that wants to hook in
to the video driver need  to intercept the video.  The video intercept
is up to the program in question.  This is not just for jaws  or screen
readers.  Another example to take it out of access software is pc
anywhere.  Now it would be kind of hard for ms to provide every driver
for video intercept.  I guess ms could write there own screen reader to
improve on nerater.  But if you will recall that was talked about at one
time and fs and others asked ms not to do this because they felt this
would drive them out of bigness.  Ms does provide a grate deal of access
to windows threw api calls msaa and video  chaining manager.  
Hth 

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:24 AM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JFW on a thumb drive


If Microsoft actually took responsibility for and demonstrated proof
that what they claim to do, that is, Making their operating systems and
software truly accessible to those people who happen to be handicapped
or disabled, microsoft would make sure that the necessary system drivers
and software that would ensure accessibility was updated with each
version of their operating systems to prove that what they are claiming
to do is true, instead of companies such as Freedom Scientific etc.,
having to constantly keep playing "catch up" with Microsoft in order to
enable us to use programs such as JAWS to be able to continue using our
computers.

Sincerely:

Dave Durber

On Sat, 8 Oct 2005 06:33:22 +0100, you wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Technically, they could.  However, the video drivers are updated with
>every other version of JAWS or so, and so the process of releasing a 
>Windows Update with the description "Makes Speech Software Work Better"

>may seem tedious to Microsoft, and I doubt sighted users would take it 
>very well.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Angel" <angel238@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:27 PM
>Subject: Re: JFW on a thumb drive
>
>
>Couldn't Microsoft put these video intercept drivers or files or
>whatever
>they are on all their operating systems   The sighted people wouldn't 
>either
>know they were there or would be effected by their presents.
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Yardbird" <yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 11:56 AM
>Subject: Re: JFW on a thumb drive
>
>
>> Well explained, Bruce.  But in the course of this discussion, I've
>> become
>> painfully aware that this is evidence of an accessibility problem yet

>> to
>be
>> addressed and overcome, and it makes me sad and frustrated.  If only
>> there
>> were some simple method of allowing us Jaws and other screen reader 
>> types
>to
>> temporarily use Jaws on other computers without either incurring
>additional
>> charges to ourselves nor ripping off Freedom Scientific in any way,
>> that
>> would be truly desirable.  I can barely express how important and 
>> enabling
>> something like this would be.  I can only wish that someone will find

>> a
>way
>> to make this all cohere and open up the world to us screen reader
>> people
>> just that much more.  How cool it would be to be able to visit
someone 
>> and
>> be able to use their computer, just by plugging in a little device 
>> that
>> would leave no trace once disconnected.
>>
>> Darn, as they say in some quarters, these days.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bruce Toews" <dogriver@xxxxxxxx>
>> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: JFW on a thumb drive
>>
>>
>> Part of the problem is that for the thumb drive option to really be 
>> effective, you need the video intercepts installed. So for you to 
>> effectively use it in a library situation, you'd pretty much need 
>> administrative rights for the library's computer, and I strongly 
>> doubt the library would give that to you. All three of the major 
>> screen readers run
>> up against this wall.
>>
>> Bruce
>>
>> --
>> Bruce Toews
>> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: dogriver@xxxxxxxx
>> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): 
>> http://www.ogts.net
>> Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com
>>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, ptusing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> > If that process  were made more simple, more could use it. Thanks
>> > for
>your
>> > post as that info just killed my idea of using
>> > the thumb drive to access  computers in libraries when traveling. 
>> > Hope the  thumb drive option is improveddownt heroad.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clifford Blackwell" 
>> > <cblackwell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 10:32 AM
>> > Subject: Re: JFW on a thumb drive
>> >
>> >
>> >>  In reading the material on the link that Mike sent, it's sort of 
>> >> a
>mixed
>> >>  bag as far as usefulness.  To make it fairly portible, you would
>> >> need
>> >>  your authorization on the dongle.  In order to use it from 
>> >> computer to
>> >>  computer, each computer would need to have two USB ports 
>> >> available.  I
>> >>  don't know if you could use a mini two port hub for this to cut 
>> >> down
>on
>> >>  machine ports or not.
>> >>
>> >>  You can only use this version on Windows 2000 or XP machines and
>> >> you
>> >>  would first have to download two files, the video intercept 
>> >> manager
>and
>> >>  the dongle manager from files that you could carry on your thumb
>drive.
>> >>  It sounds as if the synthesizer would have to be loaded on the
>computer
>> >>  instead of the thumb drive too.  Although, that may only apply to

>> >> synthesizers in addition to Eloquence.
>> >>
>> >>  So it's not as good or as bad as first and second thought.
>> >>
>> >>  Clifford
>> >>
>> >> > > >  yardbird@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 10/7/2005 10:04:01 AM >>>
>> >>  I'm having trouble imagining the practical scenarios for this
>> >> thumb
>> >>  drive.
>> >>  I hopefully thought it meant what an earlier poster was hoping, 
>> >> that
>> >>  you
>> >>  could travel without your own computer and temporarily install 
>> >> Jaws on
>> >>  other
>> >>  peoples' machines (I imagined something like a limit in terms of 
>> >> days
>> >>  or
>> >>  hours of usage, not the demo mode).  But if the other machine has

>> >> to
>> >>  have an
>> >>  authorization on it, wouldn't that imply that it also had *Jaws* 
>> >> on it
>> >>
>> >>  already?  In which case, of what value would the thumb drive deal
>> >> be?
>> >>  No, I
>> >>  haven't yet been to the site to see the explanation there, but
I'm
>> >>  skeptical
>> >>  that a question as basic as mine is addressed.  I presume that 
>> >> others
>> >>  know
>> >>  exactly what the meaning of all this is, but I can't figure out 
>> >> what's
>> >>  being
>> >>  described.  And I don't understand what dongles are for, either. 
>> >> I
>> >>  thought
>> >>  they were for a similar purpose.  To temporarily install jaws on
a
>> >>  computer
>> >>  not your own.
>> >>
>> >>  If this is really clearly explained online, someone just please
>> >> tell
>me
>> >>  and
>> >>  I'll be glad to go there later.
>> >>
>> >>  Thanks.
>> >>  , I'd
>> >>  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Toews"
>> >> <dogriver@xxxxxxxx>
>> >>  To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>  Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 7:37 AM
>> >>  Subject: Re: JFW on a thumb drive
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  According to the thumb drive FAQ, you need at least 128 MB free 
>> >> on
>> >> the
>> >>  thumb drive. If the computer onto which you are putting JAWS is 
>> >> not
>> >>  already authorized to run JAWS, the 40-minute demo will run.
>> >>
>> >>  Bruce
>> >>
>> >>  --
>> >>  Bruce Toews
>> >>  E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: dogriver@xxxxxxxx
>> >>  Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries):  
>> >> http://www.ogts.net  Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: 
>> >> http://www.cornergas.com
>> >>
>> >>  On Fri, 7 Oct 2005, Clifford Blackwell wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >  Hello list,
>> >> >
>> >> >  I don't really know about this capacity in Jaws7.0.  What size
>> >> > thumb
>> >> >  drive would one need to use this ability?  I presume you
install
>> >>  Jaws
>> >> >  and authorize it on a thumb drive that you can take from
>> >> > computer to
>> >> >  computer?  Can you use a synthesizer other than Eloquence such 
>> >> > as
>> >> >  Dectalk Access 32?
>> >> >
>> >> >  I'm interested in this option for use at home.
>> >> >
>> >> >  Thanks for any information you can give me.  If there is a
>> >> > detailed
>> >> >  description in the documentation, point me at it and I'll read
>> >>  myself.
>> >> >
>> >> >  Clifford
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