Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
- From: "Rick Harmon" <rharmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 15:27:55 -0400
When done I'd be happy to post this on the blind geek zone website for all to
have. Thanks for all the hard work and efforts.
Rick
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue B
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Dave,
Great minds do think alike! I have spent a few hours today creating such a
document. I used not only the MS Word 2007 Help feature to get the shortcut
keys for all of the commands, but I also added a section to the document that
contains how to get to each Ribbon and then the key, or combination of keys,
that issues each command on that Ribbon. I was going to finish formatting it
for maximum usability before posting a message on this list asking for someone
willing to post the document on their website for download. The document is
quite long so I don't want to just paste it into an e-mail to the list. If
someone wants to work with me on getting this thing uploaded please e-mail me
off the list so we can work out the details. I could also simply start a list
of those people who want me to attach it to an e-mail to them, but I do ask
that we keep this sane by having those people e-mail me directly to:
sueb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I don't want this topic to consume the list, even though I
do think the list of keystrokes list is much needed by many.
Also, are there people who want this type of list for MS Excel 2007?
Sue B.
Dave Carlson wrote:
Gerald and All,
Given these tips trickling out a bit at a time, does anyone have a source
of all the Alt + key + key combinations for Word 2007 and what they do? It
would save us all a lot of time groping around.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 04:10
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Thanks for this tip. So MS secretly left the Letter Wizard in Word 2007
after all, but doesn't want its customers to know. Unbelievable.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Fettgather
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Even though the letter wizzard has been officially removed from Word
2007, and can be found nowhere on any ribbon, it still comes up when you press
Alt t, followed by E, then Z.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Not exactly true. While you can indeed access most of Word 2003's
options with the Word 2007 ribbon menu system, there is one glaring omission:
the beloved Letter Wizard, which many blind users depend on to format and
compose their business and personal correspondence. There are even a couple of
audio tutorials on using the Letter Wizard with JAWS or other screen reader, so
it is apparently a very popular function. But in its infinite wisdom, MS saw
fit to eliminate it from Word 2007, leaving no practical alternative for JAWS
users except for a confounding array of templates which are largely
inaccessible. So unless you are forced by your employer to rely on this clunker
of a word processor, I see no good reason to purchase it for home use.
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Rose Combs
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 1:34 PM
Subject: RE: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
If you spend a few minutes investigating the ribbons and using the
tutorials available, office 2007 is just about the same is 2003, and if you
already know keystrokes for items they are still able to be used. Sure there
is a learning curve, as with any program but it really isn't as bad as some
make out. I admit I'd prefer the menus but I can work with I have and,
National Braille Press sells books on shortcut or keyboard commands that are
helpful and inexpensive.
If you don't need to upgrade don't but, if your job requires it, or
if you are just wanting to keep up-to-date, it isn't as horrible as some
programs that have you constantly in the Jaws cursor mode clicking on
everything etc.
Rose Combs
rosecombs@xxxxxxxxx
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Alex Midence
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 7:21 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Dude, I'm gonna tell it to ya straight. Don't listen to anybody
trying to sell you on 2007. Especially, don't let them do it to you if you're
using office applications to do your job. It is one major productivity killer.
If you want to upgrade, get 2003. You can buy it on eBay for a couple hundred
dollars if you don't mind going that route. Just make sure the ad says it's
brand new and stil in the box. If you go 2007, just pretend you got yourself a
whole new wordprocessor to learn. Go in with the mentality of a rookie/newbie
because all your old hotkey friends are no more. Most folks just don't have
that kind of time. They buy the same software's upgrades when they come out
because they expect to just be able to jump right in and start working and
producing the same output of work as they did with the prior version if not
more. If they wanted to learn a whole new piece of software, they'd've bought
wordperfect or something. Jaws still works great with 2003 and you can still
hit the ground running with it straight out of the box coming from office 2000.
Don't just take my word for it on how bad 07 is. Just google "hate office
2007" and you'll see what I mean by productivity killer. I wish with all my
heart that I could go back to 2003 at the office but, everyone's been migrated
and we are all still fussing and cussing about it and it's been like 2 months
already since the upgrade. I'm telling you, it's just NOT worth it. It is one
royal, unmitigated, colossal, ferocious, and persistent pain in the back side.
Only reason I'm not using any more adjectives is because I ran out of clean
ones and, as usual when I think of this thing, I find myself in great need of
some scotch.
One man's opinion,
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Yardbird
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Hi Sue,
I'm still using one of the older versions of Word, but feel as if
it might be a practical idea to buy and install Word 2007 one of these days in
order not to be left behind with decreasing jaws support for my Word 2000. But
I don't even know a couple of basic things, like can you just purchase Word
2007 alone, or must you get it as part of that office suite, and is that an
expensive proposition? And second, how does a Jaws user learn to use Word 2007
and its notorious ribbon? Is there a tutorial or an instruction manual for it
somewhere online?
thanks.
Joel
----- Original Message -----
From: Sue B
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 6:01 AM
Subject: Re: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
I'm going to throw my two cents worth in on this one. I agree
with George that those menus aren't really all that useful. If you are new to
MS Office then skip them altogether and learn how the ribbons work. If you are
firmly attached to the menus as they were used in earlier versions of MS
Office, then these might be useful for finding commands that you don't have
keystrokes already memorized for. However, they don't just add the menu bar
back so that you can go on with things as you always did, there is still new
stuff to learn. I've found in teaching that I can teach someone who was
familiar with the menus to use the ribbons in about as much time as it takes to
teach them to find and then navigate these add-ins. My vote is that if you are
using JAWS 10, I'd go for taking the time to learn how to navigate the ribbons.
In case anyone is anxious about the switch to Office 2007, most of the dialog
boxes, once you get to them from the ribbon, are the same as the ones in Office
2003 were, so getting to the options you need isn't really all that different.
Sue B.
George B wrote:
Dave eather have I they are kind of confusing let me know what
you figure out.
"God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
The courage to change the things that I can, and the wisdom to know the
difference.
From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Dave Carlson
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 04:11
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Alternative Word-2003 menus for Word 2007
Anyone actually tried to use these? They seem to be templates but
I've not been able to make them work.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Levy
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 03:55
Subject: Re: page layout in word 2007
I can go one step further. Below is the link to a web site
from which you can download a free add-on to Word 2007 that adds the classic
Word 2003 menus. This way, you can have your cake and eat it too. If you are
befuddled by Word 2007's ribbon menus, you can just switch to the more familiar
Word 2003 menus.
http://in.geocities.com/shahshaileshs/menuaddins
Gerald
----- Original Message -----
From: Curtis Jackson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: RE: page layout in word 2007
Can you tell me what Kim koomandos web site is please?
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From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Mitchell
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 5:52 PM
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: page layout in word 2007
Hi, Kim Koomando posted a program on her Cool Site of the
Day on May 19th that described a free program to replace the Word 2007 Ribbon
with all your familiar menus.
If you search her site I expect you can find this particular
post and the link to the company that provides the download. Good luck, Mitch
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Carlson
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 3:20 PM
Subject: Re: page layout in word 2007
John,
Welcome to the confusing world of Office 2007 and the
ribbon!
You'll probably spend a lot of time groping around the
ribbon, looking for your old familiar dialog boxes. It wasn't easy for me.
Simply to answer your question:
Alt-p
Down arrow
Tab 4 times
Enter
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: John Fioravanti
To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 14:16
Subject: page layout in word 2007
Hi: I just installed word 2007 and when I go to page
layout to hopefully get to margin setings, it says hit tab or shiftt Alt
followed by p. when I use tab or shift tab it talks about help and alt and P do
nothing. Any help would be appreciated. John Fioravanti
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