[openbeos] Re: Couple of non-sequiters
- From: "Andrew Edward McCall" <mccall@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 01:42:51 BST (+0100)
> This mailing list exists for cross kit issues, for announcements and
> general OBOS related stuff.
>
> It suffers from many of the same issues that BeDevTalk suffered from,
> back
> in the Be days - people posting off topic. BDT suffered this many
> times. It
> drove the Be engineers mostly off of the list.
>
> And I have seen an increasing number of unsubscribes from this list,
> too.
>
> Unless someone can convince me, ***OFFLIST***, that this list should
> stay
> around, it will disappear by week's end or so. To be replaced by an
> announce
> mailing list (which will be moderated and posting by "staff" only)
> and a mailing
> list that is by kit lead invite only.
I think I can convince you!!!
I really think that the recent posts have been a load of crap too, but
I have to say, if just one simple, single idea of any worth comes up
from a mailing list like this then its worth it. The problem is
filtering out all the crap.
The solution to this isn't by removing mailing lists, its the exact
opersite! You create more mailing lists! You only subscribe to the ones
that you need to.
OpenBeOS needs users, users need a community. A mailing list gives
people the chance to be part of the community and to participate in
discussion helps keeps the community active. If you don't like it then
its simple, you don't subscribe to the mailing list, or you remove
yourself from the mailing list as people have been doing.
The actual name of the openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx mailing list is itself an
invitation for trouble. Its a general mailing list, with no subject
other than "OpenBeOS" - right now this *includes* politics, and even
propoganda - as long as they are related to OpenBeOS (granted the
thread in question has gone way off topic). In actual fact I think that
a Linux zealot turing up from time to time is great for a community to
re-affirm their belief in the OS they have chosen.... but its a load of
crap if your subscribed to the mailing list just for cross-kit
discussion.....
You stated that the OpenBeOS@xxxxxxxxxxxxx mailing list if for cross-
kit discussion. I have been part of OpenBeOS since a week or two after
it started, and I didn't know this :) I am sure that many other people
don't too!
I think that we should somehow come up with a load of new OBOS lists,
ready for a change to our own mlm or something in the future, each with
a particular topic, each with their own rules. If someone gets out of
line on one list, their kicked off. Simple.
A suggested mailing list format would be :
openbeos-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxx - Announcements of OpenBeOS-only news.
openbeos-development@xxxxxxxxxxxx - To replace the
openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx that we have now, for cross-kit development
issues
openbeos-developers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx - For any sort of OpenBeOS
programming questions and discussion
openbeos-advocacy@xxxxxxxxxxxx - To replace the openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
list that we have now
openbeos-users@xxxxxxxxxxxx - For user help, such as "How do I change
the backgrouns..." (Not really needed *yet*)
openbeos-newsletter@xxxxxxxxxxxx - A text copy of the newsletter could
be mailed out to everyone (I would love this!)
And the team mailing lists should look like this :
openbeos-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxx - For kernel discussion...
openbeos-kernel-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxx - For kernel announcements...
openbeos-applications@xxxxxxxxxxxx ...
openbeos-applications-announce@xxxxxxxxxxxx ...
.. etc. (I think you get the point now...)
This way, I can subscribe to a large number of lists, but still keep
low traffic/static ratio by reading the announcements on other peoples
mailing lists.
The people who don't really have much development work can stay part of
something, but we can keep ourselves away from the static!
I really hope I have been able to add something to convince you of
keeping a mailing list similar to openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx around!
Thanks
Andrew Edward McCall
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