[gps-talkusers] Re: TeleAtlas Woes
- From: "Sharon Ewing" <sharon.ewing@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:05:26 -0500
Just for the sake of balance, I would like to say something in TeleAtlas's
maps defense.
I have several friends who have tried to use other commercial GPS units in
their automobiles to come to my house. They can't find it because the
community is so new and is still being built. The GPS maps we use for Sense
Nav and for GPS on the Braille Note products have always been able to find
me even though I'm in a community that start in early 2007. I can find all
of my street names in the community, and the commercial POI's provided by
the original maps have my pool, my builder's office that is still here in
the subdivision, as well as the competing builder's offices. The point here
is that you may have to trade off the good with the not so good.
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Ellen Earls
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:51 AM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: TeleAtlas Woes
Also google the lat and lon and you can pinpoint it that way.
That is how I had to get my Brother's address in Cincinnati. Although his
zip code is a Cincinnati zip code, and his post office address is a
Cincinnati address, the way I got his address was to do a lat lon search,
then I keyed that in, and Charles suggested I do a space c (this was way
before Sense Nav) and, I got the address and the city turned out to be Fruit
Hill.
What I am saying is never underestimate the importance of the Latitude and
Longitude because often times that will get you to where you want to be.
Mary Ellen Earls
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" <raul@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 6:17 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: TeleAtlas Woes
> Hi. I totally agree with you on this, but the nice thing is that for those
> who do know a zip code of let us say, an area in which they live, but an
> area in which the incorrect city is shown, then it would help us out quite
> a bit.
>
> Earlier I wanted to pull up a co-worker's address with SenseNav and could
> not do so because although eh lives in Fort Wayne, his address is not
> located in Fort Wayne according to Tele Atlas. So, because I know the zip
> code he is in, I could have used that feature to at least get closer.
> Sure, fixing the city information with better map accuracy would be nice,
> however the zip code would at least make it so that even if you have wrong
> map data, you can get past that.
>
> In your situation where you might want to pull up an area of a city where
> you don't know much, here is what I do.
>
> 1. Address search. on Voice Sense it's space-s.
>
> 2. Map name. I type il for Illinois.
>
> 3. City, I type Chicago.
>
> 4. Address, I press space for no address.
>
> 5. Street name. I type main, or broadway, or 1, 99% of all cities are
> going to have a main street, broadway, or a street beginning with 1 as in
> 1st avenue.
>
> This at least places me somewhere in the city. Now I can do a search for a
> POI with an address which might be located in the city, but the map might
> not be showing the actual city name. Chances are, there is going to be a
> commercial POI in that area so if you search for the street name of where
> you want to go, you might get lucky and it will work. Sure, this is a long
> shot sometimes and we should not have to do it, but right now it's what
> needs to be done, and it's not that bad once you get used to it.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> alice dampman said the following on 7/20/2008 5:23 AM:
>> The only problem with the zip code solution is that one often does not
>> know the zip code of a given area or town. I don't even know all the zip
>> codes in my own city, let alone the surrounding areas. How on earth would
>> I know the zip code of somewhere near Chicago or somewhere else I might
>> be visiting? I'd be much more likely to know the name of the area, so my
>> vote goes toward fixing these nomenclature problems as they come up and
>> are identified and not requiring the gps user to know a bunch of zip
>> codes.
>> Alice
>> alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve" <drum67-72@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 7:42 PM
>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: TeleAtlas Woes
>>
>>
>>> Charles,
>>>
>>> I'll wait to see, as they say the proof is in the pudding. Two years
>>> ago, I
>>> complained to them by submitting a form and so far the area name for me
>>> is
>>> still unchanged.
>>>
>>> In the meantime, one thing that would alleviate this problem is an
>>> option to
>>> enter a zip code instead of a city name/State in the address search.
>>> I'd
>>> really like you to take a look at my area of Michigan, where TeleAtlas
>>> insists
>>> on subdividing areas into things which either don't exist, or it uses
>>> several
>>> subdivision names for townships.
>>>
>>> If you do, look at the west side of Lansing, the capitol city. As you
>>> travel
>>> outside the city limits, say going west on 3000 W. Saginaw, you come to
>>> my
>>> area which TeleAtlas inanely insists is Edgemont, which is not a
>>> politically
>>> recognized village, township, or anything and I suspect the Postal
>>> Service
>>> doesn't even recognize that as a legit name. I live in Lansing
>>> Township,
>>> which surrounds the City of Lansing on three sides; TeleAtlas correctly
>>> identifies it as Lansing Area on the east side and north side, but not
>>> on the
>>> west side. There is a Edgemont subdeivision much like realtors identify
>>> areas
>>> of a town that is called Edgemont, but not a city. Then, as you go
>>> further
>>> west, you enter Delta Township in Eaton County. TeleAtlas recognizes
>>> part of
>>> this township, but another part of it is referred to as Waverly, which
>>> again
>>> is undefined as a jurisdiction although the school district which runs
>>> through
>>> my area as well as all of Delta Township is the Waverly Community
>>> Schools.
>>> But, there again, there is no village or city of Waverly. All of these
>>> areas
>>> lie in the 48917 zip code.
>>>
>>> I could site other numerous areas where TeleAtlas comes up with township
>>> names
>>> that seasoned drivers have never heard of. Since these are
>>> non-incorporated
>>> areas, the zip code would be much easier to search for. I suspect that
>>> TeleAtlas provides better international mapping, but it certainly falls
>>> short
>>> here in the States and is leaving a bitter taste in many of our mouthes
>>> who
>>> have to deal with its idiosyncracies and so far a lack of a decent
>>> work-around.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Lansing, Mi
>>>
>>> Lat 42.44.58.3140 N 84.35.48.0598 W
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles LaPierre"
>>> <charles@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 6:46 PM
>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Nonexistent Address
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>> You may jump for joy if we switched from TeleAtlas to NavTeq but
>>> others would then have worse map accuracy and scream bloody
>>> murder. No solution is best.
>>>
>>> I can tell you this, Sendero will be working closer with TeleAtlas to
>>> help improve their map quality, and now with the new deal between
>>> TomTom and TeleAtlas, TeleAtlas will be receiving quality control
>>> updates from TomTom users who opt-in to TomTom's MapShare features
>>> which helps monitor real-time road conditions and sends back this
>>> information to Tom-Tom and ultimately TeleAtlas.
>>>
>>> To read more about TomTom's mapshare program you can follow this link.
>>> http://www.clubtomtom.com/general/mapshare-faq/
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Charles
>>>
>>> At 03:33 PM 7/19/2008, you wrote:
>>>> Due to vagaries in TeleAtlas's inane map city designator system, one of
>>>> the
>>>> unfortunate consequences of the Sendero GPS implementation, in my
>>>> opinion,
>>>> your destination address may be in what they consider a different
>>>> city. Where
>>>> I am, they list me in a "city" which is not a politically defined
>>>> jurisdiction
>>>> and hasn't been for over thirty years.
>>>>
>>>> I would jump for joy if they ever converted to NavTech, which the
>>>> Trekker uses
>>>> and it doesn't have this problem.
>>>>
>>>> The only thing I can suggest is to try to select an address in the real
>>>> city,
>>>> virtually navigate to your destination, and hit the letter C to see
>>>> what
>>>> TeleAtlas think your city is.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>> Lansing Township, Michigan
>>>> In TeleAtlas's map, Edgemont Park, Michigan.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Charlene Elder" <1ladychar@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 3:24 PM
>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Nonexistent Address
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When trying to set an address from my friend's house, I was able to
>>>> specify
>>>> the city and number, but when I tried to enter the street name, it
>>>> found no
>>>> matching streets. The name is North River View Road. I tried making
>>>> River
>>>> View two words, dropping the North designation, but it never found the
>>>> street.I then picked another address in a close-by city and it found
>>>> it
>>>> just fine in virtual mode. Why would this happen?
>>>> Charlene Elder
>>>
>>> Charles M. La Pierre
>>> CTO Sendero Group
>>> "The GPS company." Distributors of the mPower, PK, Victor Stream,
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>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>
>
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