[Allen wrote:] Because the sun is moving faster than the moon you lose sight of the sun as it catches up with the moon and then overtakes the moon. The moon is losing ground so to speak to the sun. That is why the shadow moves W-E. [Gary writes:] Allen, I don't believe we can say that it is a difference in tangential velocities between the sun and moon causing the shadow movement. The math that would explain this is non-existent as of yet, at least that's my experience. If it were that easy, Dr. Jones would never have had to remove his paper in the first place. And it's not a case of relative motions either. The explanation the acentrists use for the phenomenon is the tangential speed of the moon in front of a STILL sun. This particular reason is tough for us as we do not have this set of events within the geocentric view. Both of our objects (the sun and moon) are moving. In their view only one is, and that makes a huge difference. Am I making sense? It's not relative motions. I'm looking forward to Dr. Jones' paper. It is necessary to somehow explain the shadow movement from our side perfectly and completely. At this moment, we are far from that, I fear. Gary GaryLShelton@xxxxxxxxxxx