[geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs attachment
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 16:48:44 -0700 (PDT)
Me In blue..
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From: philip madsen <pma15027@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, May 5, 2008 3:59:24 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs attachment
Phil..if there is a change from 30 gms to 0 grms (as detected on our
scale).....then we have a change. that change is due to going from 0 velocity
to some other velocity, Allen
Not so! And that is where you try to force your false imagination upon us..
1. If the scale showed 30 gms before the drop ...then we drop and then the
scale shows 0 grms....that by deffinition is a change....the cause of that
change can only be shown to be the fact that we were first hanging with no
velocity and then begining to move at a velocity other then what we were
hanging at!!!.....Then demonstrate not just assert what the cause of the change
was......When we had 0 velocity then we have 32 ft per sec per sec going from 0
to 32ft per sec per sec is what caused the change...Your the one imagigning
that the states of weigtlessness and velocity are reversed.!?.... ....PHIL
your the one imagining weitlessness is due to the absense of physical
conection?..wonder how gravity knows so much????
The change to weightlessness occurs AT zero velocity, at the exact same moment
of separation.. before the fall commences..
2. Untill you can demonstrate that all the accelerations inside of a object/
accelerometer take place identicaly and simoltaniously, then your argument is
only assuming the very thing you are attempting to prove!Weightlessness does
not always happen at the instant of the drop..period!..proof?......To obtain
the state of weightlessness is a process over time in free fall not a instant
event! the vomit comet and roller coasters demonstrate this..and the fact that
we would then be weightless wrt the earth while in free fall in the suns
gravitational feild.....!? There is no differnce between our scale in our
elevator faling to earth and a scale on earth falling to the sun!? .Anything
attached to the scale will show the 30 gms to get lighter and lighter over a
period of time through the drop, untill both the scale and the weight attached
to it obtain the same accelerations..... only then will you have reached
weightlessness.. but they do
not inialy have the same accelerations in fact that is what you have to
demonstrate first before you assume it is true! Untill it does, it will have a
coresponding weight. Phil, That is why how fast you go down in a elevator or
over the top on a roller coaster determines how much much weightlesness you
"feel"....!? the accelerations in free fall of any mass are not identical to
every part of that mass.... if it were there could be no tides....oh wait.....
you dont agree with MS on the cause of the tides either do you?!.. Please tell
me how does gravity affect and what is the cause the tides?.............Like
the hovering of the thrown up ball.. At the peak of the curve when velocity is
zero, weightlessness occurs.
like the peak of a roller coaster when we go from weightless to detectable
accelerations in free falll over the top!.....NO phil my position is not
imaginary yours is!
wow now you realy should be able to develope anti gravity machines ....Just
don't touch anything and according to you we will be weigtless?!
Do you deny this momentary stationary weightlessness.
umpteenth chance Phil.
----- Original Message -----
From: Allen Daves
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: acceleration calcs attachment
philip said: thanks to Paul he did the work for me and showed how Allen
sidesteps logic to keep an impossible conversation going.......Yes Thanks Paul
I think your postion and what you base your arguments on is quite clear to
everyone now...:-)
Actualy Phil, Paul stated "Second, I'm not really interested in logic " so im
not sure how he showed me to sidestep logic, he is not even interested in using
it........LOL
Notice the accusation of us being stupid..NO, I accused you then as well as now
of ignoring evaluations of observations within logic secondly preferring
imaginations external of facts or observations with a almost zealot like
stubbornness to "keep the faith" regardless of what contradictions and
inconsistencies it produces....thirdly that you invoke your conclusions as the
bases for all your evaluations that are supposed to demonstrate your
conclusions.......that is called a circular fallacy but then again who cares
about logic we are only here for "scientific discussion" ryt?!.....LOL
ignoring that I said the change noticed was a state of weightlessness.. not a
change of velocity..
Phil..if there is a change from 30 gms to 0 grms (as detected on our
scale).....then we have a change. that change is due to going from 0 velocity
to some other velocity, .............. as is the case with a suspended elevator
i mentioned ................That is a not only just a change in the velocity of
the elevator but a change in velocity wrt magnitude which is an acceleration by
definition... and it was detectable...I also addressed what happens once we are
in free fall and then change from 32 ft per sec/ per sec in any given direction
and explained& demonstrated why and how even assuming MS's own
constructs................
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